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Chapter 1: What is the primal scream of a dying regime?
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Saturday, 4 October, Year of the Lord 2025. I've asked Kurt Mills, and Kurt, I'm going to intrude upon you to stick, and we're going to talk about Ukraine. Then we'll bring Mark Kerkorian in. Mark's going to give us an update on really a stunning decision yesterday at the Supreme Court about Venezuela.
And then when we go through that, I want you to stick around because I do want to talk about Venezuela. And it looks like approaching... American kinetic activity there, including seizing seaports and transportation nodes by the United States military. We'll get into that in a second. I think it's very important.
Fred Flights is looked at as kind of the chief of staff under President Trump's first term for the National Security Council. He's looked at that traditional bedrock of Republican thinking about national security. And I think it shows you that we're having a shift, a fundamental, serious shift in the way we think about geopolitics.
Now, I am much more aggressive and I would almost say interventionist when it comes against the Chinese Communist Party. I've been accused of by the great Darren Beatty, my close friend and colleague, and Kurt Mills and other people I'm very close to of finding a CCP member under every bed. There's a shift in the shift.
There's a geopolitical and national security thought process that's shifting radically. And you can see it in Fred in the situation in the Ukraine. So I want to get you in here, Kurt.
And to see that, quite frankly, you two guys are not that far apart really on the Middle East, although I think a lot of the old hands are like Fred, having got a lot of scars from the Middle East over the last 20 or 30 years and don't like Hamas. And I keep saying Hamas has a history. as these terrorist organizations do, of being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Chapter 2: How does the Supreme Court ruling impact deportations?
Fred's right. When you start having loose talk and Zelensky's making comments about, I need tomahawks, I need patriots, and oh, by the way, President Trump ā I think he said not approved, but basically signed off on or was acknowledged new in advance of the deep strike into Russia, what, three or four months ago with the drones, something that Curtis LeMay couldn't even fantasize about.
We are getting inexorably sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War. And let me just remind everybody, because nobody talks about this enough.
If you go from September 1st of 1939, the invasion of Poland, to June 21st of 1941, the Wehrmacht's invasion of Russia with Operation Barbarossa, if you take that timeframe and you look at the killing that really initiated the European war part of the Second World War, It pales in comparison to the casualties.
President Trump said that they finally gave the number, I think it's 1.8 million from intelligence sources. And the president said, hey, I'm giving you inside baseball. 1.8 million Ukrainians dead or wounded and over a million Russians, I think, dead. So you're talking a scale of two and a half, three over million casualties just in Ukraine right now.
And one of the reasons you don't see like MSNBC putting up footage every night like they did in the first days of the war. This is like World War One's Western Front. There's been six hundred and fifty thousand Ukrainian casualties this year. And tell me how much MSNBC or CNN has shown you like nothing because it's too brutal.
So, Kurt, I'm very concerned that with President Trump focusing on all this other stuff, we are getting sucked into, and by the way, the hawks in the arms industry and the Pentagon and, of course, the insane Lindsey Grahams and these people, they want us in a basic kinetic war with Russia right now. So what's your concern or observations about this Ukraine situation, sir?
Yeah, still reeling from agreeing so much with Fred Fleitz on Ukraine. That's not just anybody you had there. He was, of course, John Bolton's former chief of staff and this sort of wartime consigliere to General Keith Kellogg, who, of course, remains a special envoy on this whole theater.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the U.S. military's activities in Venezuela?
So if that kind of thinking is ascended among the Hawk camp, that's pretty encouraging. I think that the Tomahawk idea needs to be totally ruled out. Something that you haven't mentioned on this show is that President Putin, the czar, had his big party this week, which was the Valdai Club meeting in Russia.
And he made it pretty clear, and this is the sort of language that I think people from Russia have been saying both overtly and behind the scenes, that they're done with the Europeans. They see themselves as a civilization apart. They see themselves as doing something different from the, quote, West.
And that they are not going to work with the Europeans who they think are basically histrionic and outdated in their thinking. They will work with the Americans. The Americans, I think, and this is also something we've also discussed, is because there's no real love lost between them and the Chinese. They will work with the Chinese. They are more in line with the Chinese now.
But they don't trust them. Russia has a massive border with China, not with the U.S. And so there's an opportunity, and people can say it's sort of pie in the sky.
But hang on one second, because you're hitting an absolutely critical point. Since the time of what Catherine the Great or Peter the Great, the Russian czars have tried to, and this is why the capital was moved to St. Petersburg, have tried to make and make the case that they're actually a European nation and try to integrate into Europe.
And this is one of the reasons for the First and Second World War.
Dugan, who's kind of the overall geopolitical philosopher and theoretician, has made this case for years that this Eurasian, that they're actually a Eurasian power, and that Europe is walking away from Christianity, it's a failed society, it's going to be... The Islamization is only going to take over, and kind of the camp of the saints...
The elites are too feckless to actually save their own countries. And so why would we want, it's a civilization that's dying. Why would we want to be a part of it? We're actually a Eurasian power. And they make this very elaborate pitch about how they're Eurasian power.
And I agree with it, not with the Chinese Communist Party, but down even through Persia and that part of Eurasia all the way to the Arabian Sea. Are you saying in this latest meeting that that ā you think that that ā because if that's now their new policy, that's a major pivot. And I think that would raise the possibility of Russia potentially having an armed conflict with Europe.
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Chapter 4: How has President Trump's approach to immigration changed?
Biden, when he took over, we all know, started just letting pretty much anybody in. Venezuelans especially. There had not been many Venezuelans coming across the border before, but he sort of invited them, and so they came in the hundreds of thousands. And then he used something called temporary protected status, TPS.
It's in the law, but as the name suggests, it's supposed to be a temporary thing for when there's an earthquake or a volcano and we can't send people home right away. What it does is it gives these illegal immigrants Social Security numbers, work permits. They can't get deported. And Biden just kept renewing it.
And in fact, the most recent renewal was literally a week and a half before the end of the administration. They were on the way out. They were trying to lock these illegal immigrants into the country. And President Trump said, yeah, OK, well, according to the law, the conditions don't warrant it. this special, essentially temporary amnesty. And so we're pulling the plug on it.
And as you can imagine, you know, the usual suspects went to the district court in San Francisco and the judges there just said, oh yeah, that's right. It's mean to do that. So we're not going to let you do it. Supreme court. Now this just recently, this was the second time they slapped down a lower court and have said, look,
the law says the president can do this it's called temporary and he's ending it and so this is a big deal because up to 600 000 or more um venezuelan illegal aliens led in by biden will lose their work permits lose their ability to stay and the issue is not so much that they're all going to be rounded up and deported but that they are going to be they've clearly been told you've got to go back.
And in fact, many, if not most of them, never even came from Venezuela. They were already living in Colombia and Ecuador and Peru for years. And they came because, you know, Trump invited them. I mean, Biden invited them. And so essentially what the Supreme Court has said, this is the second time they've had to slap down the lower courts.
They've said Trump gets to tell these illegal immigrants that the party's over and they need to leave.
Mark, hang on for one second. I just want to hold you to the break about the implications. And why can't we just wrap them up and send them back? Mark Corcoran from CIS. Todd Benzman, as you know, is not with us anymore. He's almost like a co-host here for years because he's actually Tom Holman's right-hand man now in the government working on these problems as a great representative of CIS.
Just an amazing organization. Kurt Mills, Mark Corcoran, next in the world.
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Chapter 5: What does the term 'temporary protected status' mean for immigrants?
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And you'll understand better the weird finances of the United States government and all the lies and misrepresentations you're told every day. Mark Corcoran. So you said they came from other countries. I've asked Kurt Mills to stay around. Tej is going to join me. We have an amphibious, and as Captain Fennell correctly said, or corrects me, says ban and sailor, it's amphibious ready group.
Okay, we have an ARG, amphibious ready group of 4,000 fleet marines and sailors off the coast of Venezuela. And today there's a great analysis actually kind of where the ships are.
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Chapter 6: How does the current geopolitical situation affect U.S. foreign policy?
I mean, this is a big, big, big armada. And Marco's got his war, right? So how do we send 600,000 folks back And I'm all for, hey, let's round them up and show them the door and get them out of here. But how do you do that in the middle of a shooting war, sir?
Well, there's a couple of things. First, don't get in the shooting war, but I'll leave that to Kurt to talk about. But the other thing is a lot of these people came from, like I said, from Colombia, from Peru and Ecuador. And so they can go there. And as far as deporting people, I don't mean self-deporting because a lot of people could self-deport that way.
I mean, people we take into custody and throw out. The administration now has agreements with a variety of other countries to deport people third country nationals there. I'm pretty sure they have one. They've already finished it with Honduras and they have it with other countries.
So some of these people, especially if they're not criminals, the local government will say, well, if they're criminals, maybe we don't want them or you're going to have to pay us more. But if they're just regular working stiffs, sure. We'll take them. So we can deport them or they can deport themselves to a variety of places, including Venezuela.
But if not, there's a lot of other places in Latin America that we can send people or that they can go on their own.
Overall, because we haven't had you on in a while, given everything else President Trump's got going, how do you feel right now? And by the way, the whole thing about Antifa and what's happening in Portland, a lot in Chicago, in Los Angeles is all about Antifa. The beginning of the process of mass deportations, right?
Now, I understand we've had 2 million ā according to Rosemary Jenks, 2 million ā we have 2 million illegal aliens or foreign nationals have left the country in the first 250 days of President Trump's second term. But where does CIS ā where do you guys think we stand given the severity of this incident?
given the reason that I think most people would say this is why President Trump won the 2024 election, where do you think we stand nine months into this?
I think we're doing pretty well. Look, there's stuff that I wish, extra things that I wish the administration would do, but we are doing pretty well. I mean, that was our research that showed that the total immigrant population has dropped by 2.2 million from January through July. We estimate 1.6 million of them were illegals. And of course it's October now, so the number's even larger.
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Chapter 7: What role do drug cartels play in U.S.-Latin America relations?
But Latin America is sitting out there, and somehow we've got to help get things right. You've got Lula, an avid Marxist, running Brazil. He's put Bolsonaro in prison for 27 years where they're going to kill him, no doubt.
Uh, he's leading the bricks nations golds on a roll and the central banks are buying gold at record rates because they're trying to use gold in these bilateral deals and get it. The D dollarization effort is led by Lula. Uh, I know you libertarians like yourself, all the Koch guys and libertarians, you know, rubbing up on Milley. He's the greatest. Didn't hear that here in the war room.
But now, however, you got to save him. You got to save him. Scott Besson, who's not into bailouts, is giving him a $20 billion bailout. Right. And on top of that. Little Marco, our secretary of state, who we try to shift away from being a neocon. I thought we were there. He's got an amphibious ready group off the coast of Venezuela, and they're up on Capitol Hill pitching.
And this is the first time that the Trump administration, I think, has ever acknowledged. issues, structural issues, or customs and traditions. So they're trying to get ahead of the War Powers Act by saying, no, no, no, no, no, you've misinterpreted. These are non-state actors. These are drug dealers. And we're going to do a lot more than just taking out these speedboats.
The plan has, I think, been leaked that they intend to, or at least a plan is to tend to take over the ports and transportation nodes in an actual invasion. Your thoughts, sir?
Well, the Secretary doesn't appear to be able to give up the old religion. As you are well aware, in the first term, the now Secretary of State was the key interlocutor with the administration selling the new President Trump back in 17, 18, 19 on some of the most harebrained schemes for Latin America. Members of Trump's first team, namely Mr. Bolton and Mr. Pompeo, We're very zealous on this.
There was a bit of an abortive effort to do that. Everyone remembers the Juan Guaido episode. And so there was a lot of hope that this was kind of behind us. There are elements, you know, even members of President Trump's club, this Harry Sargent character. as well as Rick Grinnell, who wanted to be Secretary of State by most reporting, who wanted to do a deal, basically, with Maduro.
Maduro is a sort of, you know, Timpah dictator in South America, but not necessarily a major threat to U.S. national security. And I think the risks of going in versus going versus, you know, keeping our powder dry are pretty clear. The Latin America has a lot of problems. South America has a lot of problems.
But what it doesn't have historically in Venezuela is the one exception vis-a-vis Colombia. What it doesn't have. is these massive refugee crises that we saw in the Syrian case and the Libyan case. And so I think the way to think about Maduro is as maybe a Latino Gaddafi. And what do we learn from the Gaddafi case? What do we learn by not listening to Gaddafi himself?
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Chapter 8: How can the U.S. effectively manage deportations in conflict zones?
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Tell them Steve Bannon sent you and you get a free month in transition. Kurt Mills, the question of South America and about if we're going to have a hemispheric defense and enforce the Monroe Doctrine 2.0, you need to sort out the mess down there. But is this just a new breeding ground for neocon 3.0, sir?
Oh, it certainly could be. I mean, I think there's some positive tailwinds and some terrible headwinds. So I think the optimistic news is that the rumored national security strategy coming out of the Pentagon will emphasize hemispheric defense, as you indicated. And I think there's a way to do that that's very grounded in American history.
The Monroe Doctrine is not some 20th century invention, not some 21st neocon stuff. The fifth president of the United States enacted it, and it has worked very well for the US to be the dominant and unquestioned power in the Americas. And it's not necessarily something, surely not something that I would seek to overturn.
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