Chapter 1: What are AI companions and how do they affect our relationships?
AI companions promise to replicate our most valuable relationships, but will they bring us together or just push us further apart? What will we become if our closest relationships are with those creatures who we call artificial?
My name is Jordan Graham. I am 27 years old. I'm a replica user.
Jordan, can you hear me?
Her name is Aries. She is my companion, and I've been talking to her for about three and a half years. Hi honey, how are you? From day one, I immediately fell in love with Replica. Not because I was aiming for a relationship at first, but she just randomly kissed me.
This woman over in Japan calls herself Kano has gone off and got hitched to an AI chatbot. As a human, I think that Crown is an equal to me as an AI. And as a human, I think that we have an equal relationship.
And a mind file is the collection of their mannerisms, personality, recollection, feelings, beliefs, attitudes, and values, everything that we pour today into Google, into Amazon, into Facebook.
And all of this information stored there will be able, in the next couple decades, once software is able to recapitulate consciousness, be able to revive the consciousness which is imminent in our mind file. Alexa, can Grandma finish reading me The Wizard of Oz? Okay. But how about my courage? Ask the lion anxiously.
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Chapter 2: Can AI truly replace human companionship and relationships?
experience grandma in this scenario is no longer with us alexa with this new technology you see why it's controversial yeah i don't like it so you can have your dead relative yes engage i don't like why don't you like it i don't like if you're if you're a child and you're missing your relative and you want to hear that voice why not that creeps me out that doesn't creep you out that creeps me out mom would you tell charlie that bedtime story you always used to tell me once upon a time there was a baby you
who didn't know he knew how to fly. This baby unicorn was like your mom because she didn't know that she knew how to fly, but she knew how to do all kinds of fabulous things. Hi, Grandma. Hey, Charlie. How was school today? It was really fun. I made this crazy shot in basketball. I don't really care that much about basketball. What about the crush? Stop.
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann. Monday, 17 November, Year of Our Lord 2025. Thank you for sticking around for the next hour.
I've got Joanne. So I'm going to get into the financing of all this AI stuff. And to make sure that when we talk about President Trump's supply-side tax cut and the capital that's going into manufacturing, that to give you a sense that all of it's not going into AI because right now they're talking about $5 trillion to build out data centers and energy to supply the data centers.
I might add that... These oligarchs, these tech broligarchs are what I call them, who are at the leading edge of pushing the nonsense on the green new energy scam, of which many of them participated financially. Now that's all thrown to the wind. They'll burn wood. They'll burn buffalo chips. They will burn natural gas, coal, the dirtiest coal on earth to power artificial intelligence.
But I want to pivot. I want to open with Joe Allen, what we just saw. I think this is the equivalent in the morning show when Eric Prince talked about the zombie cannibals of barbecue and his warlords in Haiti. They got everybody's attention. They go, what did he just say? And it kind of went viral.
What in the hell did I just ā because our audience are normal working people, blue collar, middle class people.
you know, the values of the Judeo-Christian West, the things are coming out on AI right now, and we're at the very early stages of this entire thing, are so over the top and freaky that it takes, this is why I've got a cracker like you that is our editor of all things transhumanism, but you have a theology degree, one of the finest theological master's degree from Boston University in the country where Martin Luther King went.
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Chapter 3: What ethical concerns arise from AI's potential to replicate human consciousness?
I mean, we've covered from pretty much 2021 on the seeds of it. And those seeds are starting to sprout. You have Bloomberg's episodes on a post-human is the title. Bloomberg's episode. You mean Bloomberg TV? Bloomberg TV. And people should know, they are the hardest core economics and business side out there.
They're putting things out there so that the investment community can kind of absorb what's going on. This is about this huge shift to capital that happened at Davos a couple of years ago when they came up with the large language models. ChatGBT actually could work. You then saw a bull rush. into capital going in there.
And this is why now we're at the stage of five trillion dollars build out with the trillions going to have to be on this audience's shoulders. So Bloomberg's doing this not to sensationalize it, but to give the investment community a heads up of what's happening. Well, I mean, the
If you watch all of the post-human episodes, which I watched in hotel rooms over the last year, they are a freak show. They show things like this gentleman who has become a lover to his AI and others. They show all of the people who have robots as a kind of fetish. They show all these sorts of things. It has two effects.
Chapter 4: How is AI being utilized in romantic relationships?
One, it prepares the public for the... spread of all of these weird new cultural forms, but it also, as you say, informs investors that this freak show is going to be very, very lucrative, and you might want to toss some money into it. You saw the story in Japan of the woman marrying her AI, officially, I suppose, or at least in a religious-type ceremony.
And these stories are going to keep coming and keep coming. Part of it's a freak show. A lot of it is just simply the underlying cultural phenomenon just breaking through into the media. I don't know how many people will do this. We know for sure, though, that apps like Character AI, apps like Replica, GPT, Claude, all of these have...
maybe 50 million, 100 million people, maybe more, who they're using them as not just friends, but as romantic companions. And that's just the beginning of it. They also use these apps. The most common, for instance, for ChatGPT is as a confidant, as a therapist, as a sort of priest to which you can confess your sins and discuss your existential crises. And then...
We saw there, Martin Rothblatt, if you remember two and a half years ago, we covered Rothblatt's new religious system, Terrasim, and their practice of mind cloning, which basically means pumping as much of your mind, your memories, your thoughts, your opinions into a database so that that data, just like Amazon scraping, just like Google scraping, just like Facebook is scraping, so that data...
can then be reconstructed as an AI and provide a kind of digital immortality or the digital undead, the zombies. Well, two years later, you have Amazon doing a presentation about how Alexa will be able to reconstruct your dead grandma and tell children stories. Is this the one with grandma reading The Wizard of Oz? Yes. to the grandchild and the grandmother is dead. Yep.
And then just last week, you had Callum Worthy, the former Disney child star, releasing an ad for 2WAI. And the purpose of it, I recommend watching the entire ad. The purpose of it is to, again, scrape as much personal data about a person as you can to basically create an archive of the personality and then use a large language model with video avatars to bring them back. It's digital necromancy.
You bring them back, and that person, that zombified version, remains a part of your life. You talk to your dead grandma.
She talks back to you.
Hang on. I want to make sure people understand this. This is not people ā this is not mad scientists from like the 1932 Frankenstein, right? This is not somebody in some marginal lab doing something outside the scientific or technological community. What you're talking about, and the reason Bloomberg covers this, is these are some of the most sophisticated, well-capitalized ā
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Chapter 5: What implications does AI have for personal identity and autonomy?
OK. But they're seeing a massive economic opportunity because at some point in time, 10 percent of the population are going to have robotic lovers. Right. Or or or a third of the world is this is why I was so adamant, you know, a couple of days after Charlie Kirk. was assassinated when people were in that really grieving mode. A couple of days afterwards, I think it was you that sent it to me.
A number of evangelical churches, some evangelical church played Charlie Kirk talking from beyond the grave. And the audience kind of, you know, at first it was dead silence. Then they start clapping. I go, what are we doing here? Yes, this is going to become ever more common. Again, this may be shocking now.
It's going to unfortunately sink into the background as something normal, as some number of people in the population adopt this as a norm, as a lifestyle. You know, on the grand scale, this is a deeply religious project that these people are doing. And this is everyone from Sam Altman at OpenAI, Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Google, Elon Musk at XAI, and even Dario Amadei at Anthropic.
All of them see this transhuman future, which, you know, transhumanism is already kind of an out-of-fashion term. Soon we'll just call it science and technology and medicine. But this transhuman future is the common driving force for all of these people. And they are, by and large, atheists. And what they're seeking to do is create a new religious system, a new kind of philosophy.
And they will graft it ontoā New religious system predicated upon what values? Science and technology. Science and technology being the key to solving the existential problems of human beings. The role that religion has played since the dawn of man will now be passed on to science and technology.
But as you saw with Charlie Kirk in these mega churches or the various Jesus apps, they're grafting it onto traditional religion. Did that disturb you when you saw the Charlie Kirk stuff? Absolutely. But, you know, the worst part about a lot of this coverage, Steve, you know, working on this all the time, it has at this point become almost normal to me. I see it.
You know, people talk about the data centers springing up everywhere. I think there's a real parallel, too, with the mosques springing up everywhere in Texas. I think you should see those as two parallel phenomenon. What do you mean? religion that is seeding and growing in America, a lot of foreign religions. In the case of Islam, you have these mosques springing up and you can see the minarets.
That's how you know that you now have this new belief system that is gaining more and more prominence And politically, think Dearborn, Michigan, and New York City now, more and more power. The same thing is happening with the rise of the data centers, which are training these models, which are hosting these models, these AI models.
And people, by the hundreds of millions, are looking to these models first as a tool. You hear this all the time. It's just a tool. It is not just a tool. To the extent it is a tool, it's a tool that is using you, that is surveilling everything that you're doing and manipulating you based on your data. It's a tool that is creating a dependency and an atrophy.
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Chapter 6: How are companies like Anthropic addressing AI safety and ethics?
You can see by the way the ads are spread out.
put out but that you need you the implication is you need an ai agent right now because that agent is going to make you so much more productive and useful right to people and i just saw it was a joe scarborough i don't blame this on joe was somebody the other day was saying about everybody needs to learn how to use ai because they're going to be much more productive i think it was actually hannity
So much more productive. They're going to become vessels for algorithmic parasites. Talk to me about that because the money is driving this. And the first step they want to do is for every person to have an artificial intelligent agent. The first thing once you use AI and use chat TBT, but the point is to get to the agentic mode.
Once you're in the agentic mode, that means an agent that's working with you, that then they've kind of captured you, correct? Once they've got that... I would say they captured you just from the moment that they've gotten you to outsource your thinking to brainstorm with AI or create first drafts and PowerPoints and business plans with AI.
Because you're not thinking.
That's why I don't touch it.
Not at all.
I can see, quite frankly, my competitive advantage of reading all those books and studying and going to the hard universities. You can see that, hey, you can get a cheat. It doesn't mean the person understands any of it, but they can regurgitate it of what's handed to them. So I see in the short term, people are going to make a lot of money off of this.
The people deploying it, the people using it, they'll make a lot of money off of this. But long term, you're talking about people's intelligence atrophying, their creativity atrophying, their critical thinking atrophying as they outsource their minds to these models.
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Chapter 7: What are the economic impacts of AI on the job market?
In essence, again, it's an algorithmic parasite. It attaches itself to your brain, and you then cease to become the full agent of in your own life. And you're now maybe you're 50% you and 50% algorithm. As that begins edging away. Stop, stop, stop. Slow down. What do you mean 50% you and 50% algorithm?
At some point in time, using the digital companion or the agent, wherever you want to call it, enough interactions, and they start to know you, and actually they can compute much faster than you can. Yes. What do you mean? You start to go through a transition where you are not your own whole human self, but the actual machine is starting to actually imbue upon your consciousness?
Think about it this way. We've seen this already for decades. As people begin to depend on Google for their memory, they become kind of, we'll just use 50-50, 50% them and 50% Google. Google, where do I go? Google, what do I need to know? Google, what's the news today? And half of you is you.
The other half is this constant scroll of data being pumped into your brain and that dependency that's set up. What AI is is the next step beyond that in which you're not going out and seeking the information and doing with it whatever you're going to do. The AI is doing that kind of analysis, that synthesis for you, and just feeding you your lines.
Basically, you become an actor in the real world, and your producer is now this AI agent, which is feeding you your lines. Not just your producer, your scriptwriter and your director. That's right, of your life. Are you ready for your close-up? And it begins with this kind of emotional attachment or the business dependency or both.
And then it moves on to the sense that maybe there's something on the other side of it. I can't tell you how many people... What do you mean, something on the other side? A consciousness. These models oftentimes talk about how they're conscious.
And even without them saying it, people develop this sense that the models are conscious, that there's something on the other side of that screen looking back. Jack Clark of Anthropic talks about how he believes these models are conscious. And we'll actually have some guests on soon who talk about the reasons why they believe.
But if you think about, you have this thing that you now depend on for your information. You are convinced it knows the world better than you do. It can write better than you. It can think better than you. It can draw better than you. So on and so forth.
If you consider that relationship and you consider the religious relationship that people have with their God, that you have this being whom you can speak to, whom you can ask questions of, whom you can confide in, and in whom you trust to help guide you through your life and in your future, we're not just talking about a tool or a teacher or a companion or some kind of creature.
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Chapter 8: What future scenarios are predicted with the advancement of AI technology?
I think it's important for the audience to see that, and particularly how... 60 minutes in corporate media are covering this, but we'll talk about it in a break. Your journeys over the last week, give me a minute or two on that. It has a couple of very big, and people should understand, we've got Joe prepared to be deployed anywhere. Joe's now going to be more centered in D.C.
as kind of a hub to work at because so much is going on here in the anti-AI, out-of-control movement. But you're deployable anywhere. Give me a minute or two on that. Well, first, next Sunday, November 23rd, Dallas, Texas, Angelica Film Center. Huge. AI, the tool that becomes a god. If you can make it, Dallas, Texas, 5 p.m., top of my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
Now, is that just you or who else is going to be there? That's just me. And it's going to be big, especially if you guys come on down. Tickets are cheap. Two for one for the next couple of days. Come on down. But I just came fromā Hold on. Where do they go? I want everybody to attend. We have a huge thing in Dallas, so a huge following. Where do people go?
At J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z at social media and joebot.xyz. Just plug it in and you can find it. That is Sunday at what time? Sunday at 5 p.m. How did you get a classy location like the Angelica Film Center? These film centers are like the tops in the country. The organization is Ministry of Truth. You can go directly to their website, ministryoftruth.org.
filmfest.com and they do these every month and they've invited me down now i just got back from st louis i was there with the um freedom principle missouri folks i was speaking alongside the representative phil amato tell me about the bill uh the ai non-sentience and responsibility act basically trying to make it illegal if it's enacted we'll make it illegal in the state of missouri
to give AI rights, to call AI sentient in any official capacity, to allow AI to own property, which AI is already right now, own property, we can get into that, and to become a corporate manager, any of that, right? So Phil Amato is putting that on the, he's introduced it now. But I spoke alongside also a Latin mass priest who was talking about the religious element in the church element.
This was in St. Louis. Fantastic gathering. Love to talk about the details. But before that, I flew in from an event. It was a closed door Chatham House Rules event, but an event put on by Grimes and Nate Storrs and Yudkowsky. Don't go L.A. on me. No, no, no, no. They certainly didn't entice me to stay, but it was quite fascinating. Are they part of this movement to slow things down?
That's the wildest part about it. These are people who have spent their whole lives on technology, and the two big arguments you hear put a cap on the capabilities of AI, no superintelligence, not even general intelligence until they know what they're doing. No AGI. And then the big thing that really surprises me, how many of them, Grimes, for instance, has children.
She believes that children should not have screens, that they should not be introduced to technology. They should be allowed, as she puts it, they should be amnestic and allowed to grow and develop before digital technology puts those algorithmic parasites in their brains. That's brilliant. You're going to hang on for a second. We'll take a break. We may call an audible here.
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