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WarRoom Battleground EP 931: Sir Niall Ferguson, One Of The Greatest Living Historians, Converts And Confesses Jesus Christ
22 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What signs indicate a potential Christian revival?
I have a view which is that we're probably in the very early phase of a Christian revival. I very much hope that will be the case. I look around me in England where I'm spending a lot of time and I think how many unhappy people there are who would be so much happier if they only went to church on a Sunday and opened their hearts to Christ. It's that simple.
I found in the end that atheism was not a basis for a meaningful life and certainly not for a happy family life. And so I and my wife recently were baptized and are now practicing and devout Christians. And it has made a profound change to my life.
You used to be an atheist, but now you've found religion.
That's right. I never really questioned my atheism until I had kids myself. And then I remember thinking, I'm not sure that I'm just going to make them good people by example. They really do need to know about Christianity.
I think I came to the historical conclusion that religion was good, so I began to go to church, not with any religious faith, but thinking that it would be good for my children and broadly good for society if more families went to church.
But then more recently, I understood one can't live without religious faith, that one can't be happy, that one can't feel a true sense of purpose, one can't know the real difference between good and evil.
without god and so i was baptized well not long ago september the first 2024 along with my wife ayan hirsi ali a former muslim former atheist and our two sons this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media.
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Chapter 2: How did Niall Ferguson's perspective on atheism change?
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Chapter 3: What prompted Niall Ferguson and his family to convert to Christianity?
That was Sir Neil Ferguson, one of, I think, commonly appreciated, one of the greatest... living historians currently at work and writing. And he mentioned, of course, his wife, Ayn Herson Ali, who's a Somalian-born former member of parliament in the Netherlands. Very strong intellectual, anti-Islamic intellectual. And I thought that was quite, those two clips were quite interesting.
Jenny Holland, you actually flagged those up for the show. Why don't you just sort of give us 30 seconds on your take on what he was saying there, specifically from the angle that In the UK, people really aren't sort of, to use Alistair Campbell's famous expression, warning to Tony Blair in an interview, we don't do God.
So for Brits to hear people talking in those terms, it might be slightly unusual. Of course, it's common conversational currency in the United States. Tell me what you think, what impact someone with the authority and credibility has and social respect that Sir Neil holds in British intellectual life, his two contributions there and others will make to the religious fabric of the country.
Well, my first thought watching those clips was that it looks like Mr. Ferguson has been watching the War Room Wednesday spirituality special. Yeah, I did. I saw those and I was sort of stopped in my tracks by them.
Chapter 4: How does Niall Ferguson view the role of religion in family life?
I mean, I obviously know of his wife and I've read her books and I've read her articles and have a lot of respect for her, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And she very bravely sort of stood against Islamism in Europe. And I knew that she had converted to Christianity.
But when I heard him say that there is a growing tide of Christian faith, yeah, I mean, I actuallyāwell, it's not surprised from our perspective here on War Room. I was surprised to hear it from his perspective. as the UK does remain much more secular overall.
But there is, even in my tiny circle, my tiny cohort, there is a growing religious belief among former lefties, sort of Gen X, indie kids and atheists who have seen the terrible turn society is taking in multiple ways and have found solace in Christianity. I think especially given the United Kingdom's history, its deep Christian roots,
how Christianity really shaped the society and its history and its political power and its cultural power, and how interwoven Christianity was in English society when it was producing all of these incredible works. I think a lot of young people are longing for that era of respect and quality. They're longing for an escape from the sort of brutalities of secular life.
And I agree with Niall Ferguson that God provides a refuge from that. And it's very interesting to me, too, how he said he started going almost as a cultural Christian. Right. So, you know, he's a smart man. He's a very erudite man. So he understands the history of Christianity and how important it is.
And so he thought it was an important cultural thing to take his children to church and have them participate in the rituals. But, you know, it's sort of the implication was, oh, I maybe thought I was sort of above it. only to find that no, he wasn't, and actually that God is a necessary part of family life.
As someone who has a similar perspective, I find that resonates with me greatly, and I'm very happy to hear someone of his stature say it.
I liked what you said, especially your expression about the brutality of secular life, of sort of eventually sort of numbing people. I agreed with everything you said, apart from, you know, here's your latent Irish Republican sympathies, Jenny. Sir Neil, please, Sir Neil, not Mr Ferguson. Frank Walker. Thoughts and reactions.
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Chapter 5: What impact does Niall Ferguson believe Christianity has on society?
I think that it's interesting that he was drawn to this by things outside himself. The greater society and the problems that it had, that's what's bringing a lot of people to it now. And then his children, he felt like they needed the education. I can't just raise them and have not them teach Christianity. Then he realized that he's the same way. He needs that too.
He's admitting some things that atheists would never admit. about the meaning of life now. And that's amazing to me. But also, and this is so important, the prayers itself, surrounded by prayer, In the church, you know, my father was the same way. He went to mass all the time to make my mother happy and to make his mother happy because it was a habit, but he never really believed anything.
But now in his dotage, he's starting to believe it because the prayers, they break that wall of atheism. Atheism is sort of a wall. And here it seems to be broken by reaching outside himself to his children, caring for them, caring for society, and then the prayers of being surrounded by that. It works miracles.
yeah it's it's the work of the holy spirit and it's beautiful to watch and it's taking place in the uk which is anyone who has any familiarity with the uk it is such uh emotionally and intellectually a sterile place when it comes to religion but there are green shoots and that's what we do here on the war room we watch out for them and bring them to the attention of the war room posse.
And as I say, Sir Neil Ferguson, one of the great living historians. So that's, I thought his contribution, his public witness to Jesus Christ was very sincerely made. Okay, move on with the show then, because probably for the next... 20 minutes, that's the last one.
We'll be talking about Christ because we're talking about the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church institutionally really interests itself with such...
prosaic things like talking about our lord and saviour they're far more interested in talking politics doing politics geopolitics especially especially when it comes to the endless string of platitudes pacifist pseudo pacifist platitudes um and frank walker you you've got your beady eyes on this one right now the three probably three of the most important cardinals
We're talking Cardinal Cupich from Chicago, Cardinal McElroy from Washington, Cardinal Tobin in Newark have come together basically to call for what they call a genuinely moral foreign policy. Now, the New York Times, I think, which sort of did a great article on this just earlier on this week, clearly drew the dots on this.
They're basically saying McElroy was just appointed a couple of weeks before President Trump put his hand on the Bible on... January the 20th last year, and that was a throwdown.
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Chapter 6: How are secular trends affecting Protestant denominations?
They denounce how nations were using force to assert their domination worldwide, completely undermining peace in the post-World War II international legal order. They renounce the instrument for narrow self-interest and proclaim that military action must be seen only as a last resort.
We seek a foreign policy that respects and advances the right to human life, religious liberty, and enhancement of human dignity throughout the world, especially through economic assistance. They always got to get back to economic assistance. They really are angry about USAID. But even though they're the most powerful cardinals, they're also the most notorious cardinals in the country.
There are 14 other cardinals. They didn't sign on to this. They claim that at that synod that everybody expressed their opinion. The synod is a perfect vehicle to make lies that are unpopular look like a consensus. You know, Leo's church is all in with Davos, where Trump is now speaking. And they're always going to be presenting the globalist pattern.
You know, there are three things that they have a problem with are Venezuela, Greenland, and the Ukraine. Well, Venezuela only had no American casualties, and Cuban guards were killed. It was very quick, and he was removed with his wife. Greenland, they're already starting to tweet support for Trump on the way over there, and he's pushing for negotiations.
That might not be a military intervention at all. In fact, it's about securing the country, as if securing the Western atmosphere was a narrow... And Ukraine has been a horrible bloodbath, like the size of World War II. And the church has been against peace, really, because they're all about Europe and Europe's position. And they're all about NATO.
Why is the pope so interested in preserving NATO, which is an unnecessary institution, just sort of a grift? And the global order, they say it right out right, they don't like this new global order. It's about violence and self-interest, and it's not about life like them. They're all about life. They're about sowing violence in the streets. They're all about that.
frank walker yeah you you you have put your you have put your thing exactly on this right because these so-called popes that we've had over recent decades are less and less figures to evangelize the gospel of jesus christ they are honorary chaplains of the New World Order, they see themselves as honorary chaplains of the international rules-based order.
And that's exactly in their statement, in these cardinal statements. They say this, and you mentioned it yourself, but let me come back to it. The post-World War II consensus of dialogue amongst... That is clear to the international rules-based order.
But what they said next, right, just shows you the sheer brazen cynicism of these men, because they're now talking about, and you mentioned it, but let me come back to it. The sovereign rights of countries. Right, these people have been trampling over sovereignty, right, since basically 58, when Pius XII died. These people have been globalists, shilling for globalism.
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Chapter 7: How are young people responding to traditional Christian teachings?
And there is a new generation coming to replace them.
Jenny, what you're saying there to sum that up in 10 seconds is that numbed by secularism, the brutality of secularism, people are thirsting for transcendence and the transcendence of beauty, which you find in the traditional Latin rite liturgy. Back in two minutes.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the current state of the Catholic Church?
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