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Barely Famous

Beyond The Game With Jamal Merrell

23 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 34.956 Kail Lowry

Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, y'all, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. I'm sitting with a friend of mine, Jamal. Thank you for joining us. And funny enough, he knows another previous guest that was on the podcast, Debo Williams.

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34.996 - 55.948 Kail Lowry

So if you haven't checked out that episode, go check it out. It's all about football. But there's a lot of gems that he dropped in that episode that would relate to all walks of life. And you're really close with him. I have known Jamal for quite some time now, a few years. He's coached Lincoln and Lux in flag football and Creed, I guess, too, because we moved him to Lux's football team.

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56.109 - 57.791 Kail Lowry

So you're from Delaware.

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57.932 - 58.513 Jamal Merrell

Yes.

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58.533 - 67.247 Kail Lowry

And you eventually got a call from a team in the NFL. Yes. So we'll get to that. But what was it like for you growing up in Delaware?

67.885 - 68.386 Jamal Merrell

Amazing.

68.746 - 69.827 Kail Lowry

People forget about Delaware.

69.847 - 70.248 Jamal Merrell

People do.

70.348 - 70.769 Kail Lowry

People do.

Chapter 2: What insights does Jamal Merrell share about growing up in Delaware?

126.035 - 128.318 Jamal Merrell

Well, 17, 18. Yeah.

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129.226 - 134.897 Kail Lowry

Okay. I might circle back to that because I want to, we might touch back on that.

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135.038 - 137.663 Jamal Merrell

Yeah. I'll always just say he passed away. Yeah.

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137.944 - 138.204 Kail Lowry

Okay.

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138.525 - 142.392 Jamal Merrell

And just say I lost him in college and that kind of shaped my whole college.

142.412 - 151.15 Kail Lowry

Well, that's kind of what I was going to say was, and without getting too far ahead, how did that shape you? Did you always know you wanted to play football from like a small age?

152.53 - 167.034 Jamal Merrell

Yes and no. That came along with my father. He kept consistently coaching us in football. So we pretty much gravitated towards it. But playing basketball, he allowed us to play basketball. So it was double sports. But I was better at basketball.

167.775 - 177.19 Kail Lowry

So if I can go back to fall, what the fuck? First of all, was your dad and your older brother as tall as you and your twin?

177.471 - 185.295 Jamal Merrell

No. My grandfather is like 6'6", right under like 6'7-ish. And we got our height from him.

Chapter 3: How did family loss shape Jamal's perspective on life and sports?

224.097 - 225.94 Jamal Merrell

We're going to circle back on that.

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226.201 - 249.261 Kail Lowry

We need to circle back to that. You went to a vo-tech school here in Delaware, and I think that that's so cool because where I grew up in Pennsylvania, there wasn't a whole lot of vo-tech options. And the only private schools I knew of were religious-based private schools. And maybe now that I'm an adult, I would have a different – I would know more, but –

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249.41 - 254.675 Kail Lowry

Why did you choose a Vo-Tech high school versus a private school for athletics?

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255.435 - 277.154 Jamal Merrell

Yeah, that big decision was focused on football as well. Obviously, my dad and mom wanted us to learn a trade. Because if high school or college never worked out, we could still fall back on a trade. I think that was just a plus. So I took up electrical. And then after sophomore year, I was like, my dad taught me everything about electrical. So I'm going to take up dental lab, something different.

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277.214 - 297.833 Jamal Merrell

But at the same time, a vo-tech school, we chose Hudson because it was not known at the time. It was all the schools was like Middletown, Concord, um, Cesar Rodney at the time. And I was like, Hmm, nobody knows about Hudson football. I mean, it was on their chart, but not no championships, nothing crazy. I mean, my brother was like, we always like a challenge.

297.853 - 300.256 Jamal Merrell

So we went there and just took off from there.

300.276 - 305.281 Kail Lowry

Okay. Okay. So how do you think that going there shaped you academically and athletically?

306.462 - 308.104 Jamal Merrell

It set us up academically.

308.725 - 333.636 Jamal Merrell

athletically because one the football program was known but not as known on the chart where we put it um academically to go to school and learn a trade that's you're getting more than what you expect and just going to a school learning just academics um to be able to leave high school with a trade in dental lab i felt like man like i could go get a job right now so that made me more of a a man pretty much to know that i can go out and get a job like right now

Chapter 4: What is the significance of mentorship in youth sports according to Jamal?

381.899 - 389.391 Kail Lowry

Yes. Was there ever a time that you were with your twin brother and you were like, okay, I'm, I'm better than you or you're better than me?

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389.631 - 401.372 Jamal Merrell

All the time. I mean, that that's what shaped us into becoming the men we are today and the athletes we were, um, we always were always were competitive. If it was academics, if it was doing the homework, if it was.

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401.352 - 429.064 Jamal Merrell

just going outside definitely in high school because we had two different positions but we both were still on offense and defense so we always felt like our vibes and energy and competitiveness shaped the team okay and that's what every level we went through we kept that so when you were in high school you played receiver what did your brother play he played tight end and then defense end so I was receiver and safety in college and well in high school what was it like leaving basketball behind and then continuing with football

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430.023 - 437.137 Jamal Merrell

Hurtful because the more older I got, I realized like, man, like I was way better at basketball.

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437.237 - 438.96 Kail Lowry

Was your brother also better at basketball?

439.702 - 449.601 Jamal Merrell

Yes, he was good at basketball. But me, I was more fundamentally sound, can shoot, can dribble, can dunk. And I was only getting better and better.

450.712 - 461.803 Kail Lowry

So when your daughter, for those listening, his daughter was a dual athlete as well. She had to pick eventually between soccer and basketball. Did you give her advice because of that?

Chapter 5: How does Jamal define success in sports versus personal life?

461.963 - 484.727 Jamal Merrell

Yes. Like still to this day, she's like, Oh, I'm either going to do volleyball or basketball or soccer and basketball. I will never seclude her to just one sport. Cause my dad, he, and our, once we start, we had over like 60 college scholarships and he was like, Well, we're just going to focus on football. And at the time, we didn't know what we didn't know. So he kind of protected us.

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484.787 - 505.592 Jamal Merrell

But at the same time, I didn't play basketball my senior year. So I never forget my high school coach, Coach Sobo, was like, man, you're it. Like, you're pretty much one of the top players in the state, if not the nation. You're like 22-something points away from your 1,000 points. You should play your senior year. And I never played.

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506.264 - 507.486 Kail Lowry

Do you regret that looking back?

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507.506 - 507.887 Jamal Merrell

100%.

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508.228 - 508.508 Kail Lowry

Really?

508.569 - 511.835 Jamal Merrell

Now having kids, I'm like, go for it. Shoot for the moon.

512.015 - 516.825 Kail Lowry

Could you play? You could play basketball and football at the same time, right? Because they're in two different seasons. Yep. Right?

517.025 - 518.548 Jamal Merrell

Yes. You can play it.

518.568 - 520.071 Kail Lowry

So why did your dad do that?

Chapter 6: What challenges did Jamal face transitioning from college to NFL?

1063.794 - 1076.44 Jamal Merrell

Like, oh man, you're great at football. Like play football. You'd be a number one draft pick. Do this. You can go out there and score six touchdowns. It's a gap somewhere. And that's something that running in two youth leagues, I've learned that whatever the kid is saying,

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1077.398 - 1085.391 Jamal Merrell

The parents need to learn and know that your kid is going to be more successful whatever they're saying they want to play rather than you trying to guide them and push them to do.

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1085.411 - 1086.192 Kail Lowry

What if they're not good?

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1086.233 - 1087.254 Jamal Merrell

If they're not good at it?

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1087.715 - 1101.718 Kail Lowry

That's part of my struggle, right? Because I've talked about it on my podcast before where it's like certain children of my own will tell me something. And I'm like, in the back of my head, it's like, you're not good at that. Mm-hmm.

1101.985 - 1123.749 Jamal Merrell

So that's the hardest part with a parent. Like right now, my daughter is excelling at basketball. My son is excelling at football. If they both came home and said, yeah, that we would like to play baseball, something that wasn't even in the equation, I'm fine with that. And if they might go to baseball and suck, get struck out, not catch a ball, but I know my kids are happy.

1124.41 - 1127.713 Kail Lowry

But happy does not get you a scholarship for college.

1127.733 - 1148.548 Jamal Merrell

True, true. But that's a whole nother conversation because scholarships is one thing. mental health is a whole nother thing not talked about because kids being truly happy. You look at the suicide rate, you break it down. That kid will miss the catch in the game. And mom and dad just verbally said, Oh, like you're better than this. You're better than that.

1148.608 - 1164.137 Jamal Merrell

And that kid mentally deep down inside, he's like, man, I just want to play soccer. You know? So, at the end of the day, he might not be as good at it in soccer, but that's where it's hard at. So, at one point, it's the hardest part as a parent to know when to just be a parent and let your kids go. Like, let them go.

Chapter 7: What lessons does Jamal emphasize for parents of young athletes?

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1512.37 - 1527.367 Kail Lowry

What about the kids who, and I'm asking you specifically, for those of you who don't know, he runs a youth flag program and a youth basketball program called What do we do when a child has a talent but no dedication? What do you do? Structure.

1527.787 - 1529.41 Jamal Merrell

Structure. Yeah, the structure is the biggest point.

1529.69 - 1534.518 Kail Lowry

Do you think a father in the home would make a significant difference in youth athletes?

Chapter 8: What is Jamal's advice for aspiring athletes regarding their future?

1608.933 - 1619.966 Kail Lowry

And what I feel like is happening, less kids are being had and we're focusing on a family dynamic. And obviously I'm part of the problem, but that's really interesting.

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1620.267 - 1622.71 Jamal Merrell

So that would go into, I have the answer for that.

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1622.73 - 1623.17 Kail Lowry

Yeah, go ahead.

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1623.37 - 1649.72 Jamal Merrell

So in our, in my youth league, A lot of the single moms stay in my youth league because it's structured, structure outline, speed agility. I'm the one actually hands-on with the kids. I gravitate towards the kids that I can feel that they don't have no structure, no discipline, but they're getting that structure and discipline from me or my other assistant coaches and practices with our coaches.

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1649.8 - 1669.656 Jamal Merrell

We have Zoom calls. I have Zoom calls with all my coaches, so I'm letting them know, look, focus on this kid. This kid is having problems at home. We got to focus on this kid. And all the parents, even single dads and single moms, they know like, man, this league is structured to where they're not just giving them a football or giving them basketball and running down the field of court.

1670.177 - 1686.21 Jamal Merrell

We're really... pouring into the kids. We're really pouring into the kids. So I would say if it is a single parent home out there, get them in a youth league to where it's structured. The league owner understands that as single parents out there to where it's not just giving your kid a ball, letting them run. It's structured.

1686.55 - 1694.177 Jamal Merrell

Your kid is getting that positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement that way. By the time they come home, it's a yes ma'am, yes mom, yes sir, yes dad.

1694.217 - 1697.56 Kail Lowry

What about the single parents who can't afford to put their kids in youth sports?

1698.601 - 1725.722 Jamal Merrell

Reach out sponsorships. Don't never just go to a youth league to where it's a money grab. Money grab is a league that costs $180, $200 and it's no practice, no speed agility, no extra training, it's just games, game days. Go to a league where, I talk about mine, it's a speed agility day, it's a training day It's a practice day with our team. And then it's a game day.

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