Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I hate gift giving and receiving.
Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.
I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay.
good morning and welcome to another episode of coffee combos podcast how are you kitty cat i'm doing just fine i have all my kitty merch on um tomorrow tonight is hair wash day so i covered it with a hat to be honest last night was hair wash day for me but i have to tell you something i will probably never get a brazilian blowout ever again why i loved it so much like when it was fresh and new uh-huh
But do you see how like wiry the bottom of my hair is right now? It's because it's wearing off. So like the texture of my hair in different places is not the same like consistently and it's driving me fucking insane. I think I've gotten – when I had hair down to my waist, I had a Brazilian blowout.
But I – since I chopped all my hair off, cannot tell you the last time I had like a keratin or Brazilian blowout. People say that like keratin and Brazilian are – somewhat the same, but also different. Cause I think one's a protein and like one's not or something, um, was thinking about possibly chopping my hair off. I wouldn't blame you if you did it.
Honestly, we're in the beginning of a new year. If you want to do that now is the time. Now is the time. Um, I feel like there's just a lot that's been going on and, um, When I wake up and I realize that it's hair washing day and I know how long it takes me to dry my hair, why not just chop it?
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Chapter 2: What does stability mean in the context of success?
Like half of it would be gone. I mean, it's not a bad idea. It'll grow back. Remember when we first – wait, I don't think I had short hair when we first started Coffee Combos. Did I? No. I chopped it like after – it was like 2018, I feel like. Like a year after? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Like I chopped it off.
But then also, no offense to anybody whose name is Karen, like this really doesn't apply to you, but I don't want to look like a 36-year-old short haircut girl, you know? I had my rebranding shoot and my children told me I looked old. You think it's because your hair is short? Yeah. So I'm not chopping it then. I haven't seen these photos. I'll show you.
Like I need to see, and I will be honest with you. Okay. I'm going to send them to you right now. I also had a dream the other night that I was driving with Jackson and this was the night. Do you ever do this? Like where you'll have a conversation with one of your kids and then you go to bed. And so it must be on your mind. So when you go to sleep, like you dream about it. Yes.
Okay, so that's what happened to me. And I was dreaming that we were driving and I have no idea where we were, but it like didn't look like any roads that were around here. And he was driving on the side of the road, like the ledge of the side of the road. And I was like, please, please, please.
And then I woke up and immediately I said, you will not be getting a vehicle or a driver's license at 16 ever. I understand it's just a dream. but it's telling your subconscious thoughts and desires come out in your dreams. Yes.
It's like, um, it reminded me of those dreams where you dream that like your partner did something bad to you and then you wake up and you're mad at them for what you dreamed that they didn't do. I had a dream that Ike cheated on me at the college that we both went to. Um, walked in and he was on a Tinder date. So that was a dream. And I woke up and I was just like, why would you do that to me?
Oh, wait, I've been meaning to ask you about Tinder. Okay. So when you go on TikTok, have you run across the videos where people, they're like videoing and they have a picture printed out of like the Tinder profile. Yes. Like your partner. Yes. And then it's like, it's an ad for that app. Okay. Because I was trying to figure out like, how is this happening to all these people?
I also, it's not Tinder, it's cheater busters or something like that. And it's like,
a skit and then they do the skit to make you think that that's like something that they're really going through but then it's actually an ad for cheater busters like website or whatever wait what is cheater busters i don't actually know i've never looked at what it is i've just seen the videos and i fall for it almost every single time i'm like oh oh my god this is so good and then i it's like cheater busters and i'm like are you fucking kidding me like i was invested
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Chapter 3: What challenges do twin parents face in separation?
And I still think that could be true. I do. I had one relationship that the person was just a habitual cheater. Like, I don't know what was wrong with the person. Maybe some some life insecurities, some, I don't know what it was, but habitually cheated, tried to get me back. Um, stupid for me to go back, but went back and then did it again.
I have also been with someone who cheated in the past, but never cheated on me. Um, I don't know. Your knowledge of them cheating in the past almost holds them accountable. Yeah. Because you're aware. They're aware. You've talked about it. And it's like, hey, I've had this pattern in the past where I've done X, Y, and Z. And moving forward, I don't want to operate that way.
And for me, just somebody being comfortable enough to tell you, this is what I did in the past. I don't want to be that person anymore. That alone speaks volumes to me. And I do think that people who want to change...
can, but when you enter a relationship and you're being secretive about your past and your past relationships, or you're not being forthcoming about why they ended sets you up for more failure than success. In my opinion, I would tend to agree. Um, okay. So we are going to talk about some kind of hot topics. Number one, stability is the new success. I agree with that.
more than anything that I have heard probably in one month. No, I agree with you. Stability across the board, stability in your home life, stability in your relationships, financial stability, having mental stability, right? Going to therapy regularly or whatever that looks like for you. All of those things will lead to happiness and success. I wholeheartedly believe that.
If you were going to give someone... advice on how to truly create stability across the board, like whether it be in your home life, your relationship, your work with your children, what would your advice be to someone on how they can get there? I think first, this is going to sound so cliche and dumb, but literally doing a brain dump, right?
Whether that's writing it down or typing it out, but it's like, where do you want yourself to be at the end of 2026, for example? It's like, do you have financial goals? Do you want to eat at the table with your kids more often? Do you want to get a new job for a change of pace? Whatever that is. It could be a thousand things. It can be two things, right? Writing it down.
I will tell you, stability is one of the hardest things to fight for. Because I do feel like just as human beings... It's hard. There's so much that's thrown at us every single day.
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Chapter 4: How do public figures navigate privacy?
It's like we're bouncing from... a work obligation to maybe a conference for your kids or a work obligation to practice to a game, trying to do stuff for self-care for yourself. Like this morning, first thing I did was went to Pilates, came home, did some stuff around the house, have already done all of my laundry, got on my recordings. Jackson has a basketball game at 6 p.m.
It's really hard to balance all of those things and be fully present and what you need to be present for. And for this year, I want to be able to not have the distractions out. And I know it's, it's really hard, but not to have the distractions away from like what I am presently doing. So if I am presently recording coffee combos, or I'm on a trip to Delaware, my full focus needs to be on that.
And that feels stable to me. What doesn't feel stable is the I'm, I'm recording and having a conversation with you, or I might be on the phone with you and I'm doing 12 other shit things, you know, like trying to, trying to make, and we all have 24 hours in a day, right? So it's like how you choose, how you choose to use it. Like we have the same 24 hours.
But I just want to be intentional about the time. And I think that that creates a form of stability. I would agree with you. I would agree with that. It's really hard. I just feel like if you get to a place where, and for me, it's my faith. Like I know that God's got me, right? So whatever's meant to be will be. I know you believe in like Buddha, right? Yeah.
Like manifesting stuff and all those things. I feel like you can find peace and stability while manifesting and slowing down. That's what I hope. One day I hope that I can do the same. The next question is, how has your definition of success changed over the years? And I feel like mine has just drastically changed.
I feel like the success that we're all striving for, whether we want to admit it or not, is not in the financial aspect necessarily. of making millions of dollars. Maybe it's success is being at peace and being content. And I do think that there's a difference between being content and being complacent, being complacent. You have no goals and aspirations. You're just complacent.
No looking into what's next. Right. But content is you're happy where you're at. You're content. You feel good about where you're at. You're not, um, worried about the next move. You're not like, maybe you're comfortable financially. You're not making millions, but you're comfortable financially. You don't have any, you know, pressing issues. I feel like to me, that's like success.
I feel like you and I both kind of exited reality TV close around the same time. So I think both of our view of success exiting that looks very different than what it looks like today being years removed.
Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 5: Can a cheater truly be reformed?
I'm avoiding it like the plague. But she made a good point. And she was like, well, by you staying in it, that's causing internal conflict with yourself. I have struggled with this for so long. And the only person that I really feel like I've been able to talk to about it is Kristen. Because she knows who and she knows what.
I have stayed friends with people because they are the type of people that if I remove myself... And... maybe I didn't do anything to them or anything super negative, but they will be the T page trolls that like say horrible things about me. They will become one of them. And to me, I didn't do you that dirty. I don't, I didn't do you dirty at all.
And I don't think that this is ever going to make sense to people who are not in our position. I don't know for sure, but like, I feel like other people can relate because I feel like other people probably operate the same way regardless of like what their job is. I mean, it could be with a colleague at work. I don't know, babe. Do you operate like that? No.
I don't know other people that operate like that, Lindsay. I really don't. You operate the same as me, right? Yes. Like I would rather keep a friendship that I know is not good for me than to deal with the conflict of the fallout because you've, you have, you've seen firsthand people that I fall out with.
It's always me leaving them, but somehow they get to the internet and people think those friends dropped me every single time I have dropped somebody else because a relationship or a friendship, they all of a sudden, I was this horrible person. I was never good to them. I, you know, they stopped being friends with me.
So for me, it's like, just keep them around so I don't have to deal with the lies. What I found to be the easiest way to eliminate that to remain authentic within your own self is to slowly distance. Yes. I would say slowly distancing so that it's like a more growing apart than completely dropping them. Yeah.
Because the second you completely drop them, they will go on the internet and make up, they will spin it so that the narrative suits them. Like for example, I can give you an example of someone that I have so much love for this person as a human being. I don't like a lot of like the life decisions, but like to the core, I know this person has a very good heart.
And it just became a situation that I didn't feel like it was healthy for me to remain in that friendship because I no longer aligned with the things that these people do.
Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 6: How do fake friendships impact emotional well-being?
My situations are never like that because yes, I will go and hang out with whoever it is, but it kind of like stops there. And then I go home. Like you're inviting these people into your home on a regular basis. That saying, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. So are they my friends or are they my enemies?
Cause I think the only ones that can really hurt you are people that you've loved and lost and I think you genuinely loved all those people at some point. When I think about you and we have a friendship and we're business partners, if we were to fall out, and you and I have fought like siblings before, never once did I think about going to the internet and talking about it. Never. Never.
Would never do that. Probably cry for days because I've done that. Well, someone said that to me. They were like, Kale, when you fall out, why don't you just respond and talk about it? And I'm like, because the other thing is that a lot of the people that do it to me don't have a huge following or it's my following that follows them. It doesn't hold the same weight.
You guys can literally ruin my life and take away brand deals or ways for me to make money. Me going on the internet and talking about them doesn't change their livelihood, doesn't change the income they bring in, doesn't talk like it's not the same. Well, and then there's also a risk like anybody can talk and say pretty much whatever they want to about a public figure.
But if a public figure was doing it to somebody who is not a public figure, the implications for us would be far greater than the implications on them. No doubt. No fucking doubt. Okay, the next one is, are you choosing consistency over chaos right now? And I feel like you're choosing both. I'm choosing both because chaos is my brand, unfortunately. That's just who I am.
I think at the big age of almost 34, I'm not, I am who I am, right? But consistency in the chaos, right? And being chaotic. So both. I feel like... consistency and definitely an attempt for peace, but not afraid for the chaos, right? If it comes, it comes and I'm going to be honest about it. Okay. Is stability something that you had to learn to appreciate? Yes.
And I have talked to Dr. Drew, I've talked to my therapist and the chaos in my life at times has been sort of like chasing the dragon, that term that they use for people who have been on drugs is like, you're chasing that feeling from the first high.
And so the highs and lows of my life always was, it's like all of the excitement, good or bad, because my body doesn't know the difference of something happening. And then, you know, the down and then the backup and then the, like the excitement of all of that. And so when everything sort of just levels out, I'm like, wait, what's going on? Yeah. Like I don't have anything to look
forward to I'm not anxiously checking my phone if there's drama on the internet shit like that and so like now I that's all I want is it just to be like this I feel like if you have been through highs and lows in your life which most people have at some point you've been you've had highs and you've had lows
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