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Betrayal: Weekly

Dan & Sage | Betrayal Weekly

18 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the betrayal that Dan and Sage are fighting against?

0.031 - 3.679 Andrea Gunning

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34.642 - 50.745 Sean Flynn

Hey, listeners, I'm Sean Flynn, host of the Brothers Ortiz podcast, and I'm excited to share this riveting story with you. But I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of the Brothers Ortiz 100% ad-free and one week early through the iHeart True Crime Plus subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts.

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64.544 - 68.569 Hari Kundabolu

On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

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I'm Dr. Priyanka Wally, a double board certified physician.

71.973 - 82.386 Hari Kundabolu

And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled, do I have scurvy at 3 a.m.? And on our show, we're talking about health in a different way, like our episode where we look at diabetes.

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In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic.

Chapter 2: How did Sage's childhood shape her relationship with her parents?

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Extremely. Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Law & Order fans, I'm Anastasia Nicolazzi, host of Law & Order Criminal Justice System. I'm here to let you know that we're launching our second season, this time focusing on the evolution of terrorism in the United States, both domestic and international.

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We're going back to the beginning, looking at how and why terrorism became so prevalent. and how law enforcement pivoted to help combat it.

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I'm excited to share with you the new season of Law & Order Criminal Justice System and want to let you know that you can get access to all episodes of Season 1 and Season 2 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get early access to special bonus episodes of the new season. So don't wait.

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Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today. There was a safety deposit box in Malaysia that her and I had the key to that was a secret and I wasn't allowed to tell anyone that it existed. And we'd like go put gold bars in this like safety deposit box that has the big vaulted door. It was like the slow burn to like, that wasn't weird to me.

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I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about the people we trust the most and the deceptions that change everything. Usually, each episode of Betrayal Weekly follows one person's story. But today's episode is told by two members of the same family, a father and daughter. The betrayal wasn't something that happened in a moment.

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It happened over a long time and I didn't even recognize it was happening. That's Dan Kimball. He's a mild-mannered Midwestern man in his late 60s.

Chapter 3: What role did religion play in Sage's upbringing?

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He and his daughter Sage had their world shattered by the person they both trusted most. Here's Sage. In my normal life, I don't talk about this to my friends or my people, except for some very close friends, because, like, how do you even start to tell this story? When we first reached out to them about telling their story on Betrayal... To be honest, when I got that message from you...

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I thought it was a scam. But the title of our show caught his attention. Betrayal? The word betrayal was the thing that kind of struck my mind. Our team spent months talking with Dan and Sage. They went back and forth about if they wanted to use their real names in this episode. After taking time to think, they came back with a clear answer.

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If we're telling the truth, what do we have to be afraid of? We're going to start this story from Sage's perspective. She grew up in picturesque Santa Barbara, California in the 90s. At the time, it felt more like a hippie town. You could do outdoorsy stuff. I have very fond memories there of like finding banana slugs and being outside.

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Her parents were both eccentric, citizen of the world types. They originally met because of their mutual love of the visionary architect and designer, Buckminster Fuller. They met at Buckminster Fuller's birthday party, and then they were friends years before they ever were in a relationship.

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Chapter 4: How did the family's move to Bali impact their dynamics?

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Her dad, Dan, spent most of his life doing sustainable design, working on cutting-edge computer technology. He's the one who nurtured her childhood curiosity. My dad would be curious about what I was interested in and he'd get excited about it.

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I was really obsessed with like space for a little bit and he like built a planetarium with me and like let me go on the street and like sell tickets for people to like look into my planetarium show. Dan was a constant and gentle presence for Sage. And her mom, Farah? She was affectionate. She would hug me. She would kiss me. She would play with me, like outdoorsy things she loved doing with me.

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As a kid, Sage always wanted to be close to her mom. I felt like she was the thing that made me safe. I couldn't exist without her. Like, I believed that I wouldn't exist without her. Farah was a Sufi Muslim. She came to the religion as a teenager when her dad was working as a diplomat in Iran. That's where Farah fell in love with Islam. It became a part of her identity.

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And she raised her daughter Sage in the faith. We all called ourselves Sufis, which is a sect of Islam.

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Chapter 5: What financial struggles did Dan face after moving to Malaysia?

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We'd have these like Sufi gatherings at our house with like dancing. There would be like 40 people coming over and like I'd just get to like hang out. Those Sufi parties were a lot of fun. For Sage, growing up as a white Muslim girl in Santa Barbara was a unique experience. Friends would ask me, like, are you embarrassed to walk around with your mom because she wore this

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It's a hijab, but it's also like a cape thing. People would ask me if my mom was a nun. Her mom started wearing long white robes that looked like a nun's habit. Dan sewed them for her by hand. Sage wasn't embarrassed about her mom. She wanted to be like her because her mom really lived out her values. She was a peace activist. We'd go to a lot of anti-war or peace rallies when I was growing up.

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I remember feeling really cool that we were out there doing something about the world. In the 90s, Farah organized a movement to send medicine and supplies to civilians in Iraq. Sage remembers watching her mom's work with pride. I was about five or so.

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My mom was going on a humanitarian aid trip where a group of people were going to be breaking the sanctions to deliver medicine and things to the people in Iraq. That was a super cool thing that my mom did. Like, that's so brave and so cool.

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Chapter 6: How did Sage's perspective on her parents change over time?

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Dan was deeply involved in this movement, too. It was a family effort. The Kimbells were instrumental in raising millions of dollars for medicine to be sent to children in Iraq. As much as Sage loved her mom and wanted to be just like her, Farrah could be stern. I remember from a very young age knowing that what mom says goes.

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Like if you did something wrong, you knew immediately to like get it together. And it almost like her eyes changed. Whenever Sage did something wrong, Farah taught her how to make amends. My tactic from an early age was writing her a note or a letter. I'm going to see if I can find it, actually. Oh, here it is. I found it. There's a part here that says, Thank you for teaching me what Islam is.

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I don't know where I would be today if not for you, even though it may not seem like it now because I didn't live up to my duties or help you out. I truly love you. You are the most important person in the world to me. Farah was often upset with Sage's dad, Dan. Sage didn't know why, but she wanted to help. Once I was like, Sage was confused by her parents' relationship.

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Chapter 7: What legal challenges did Dan encounter regarding the family trust?

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I never saw them be affectionate with each other. I don't think I ever saw them kiss or, like, hug. They said they really loved each other, but I'd see, like, my friend's parents, and they'd be, like, arm around each other or, like, holding hands. Barra put pressure on Dan to bring in more money for the family. That became a source of a lot of their fights.

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At a certain point, my mom started saying that, well, it's the man's job to provide. Like, I shouldn't have to provide anything because it was his job to make sure that there was food on the table. Their family was growing. When Sage was eight years old, her parents had two more kids, twin boys. I was pumped because I was like, great, even better. Now I get two friends, not just one.

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Money was a stressor. Dan had one unsuccessful tech startup of his own, but he always landed on his feet. At the time, he worked for an early microcomputing company doing user interface design. Plus, they were in the middle of building their dream home in Santa Barbara. Farah and Dan had been designing it together. It would be a sustainable home that incorporated Islamic architecture.

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There was a house that we were trying to build in Santa Barbara that got cut because it had a dome and people said that the dome was, we're trying to build a mosque. It was 2005, a time when Islamophobia was rampant in the U.S. Sage encountered it at school.

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Chapter 8: How did Dan and Sage's relationship evolve after the betrayal?

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I do remember that being like Muslims are terrorists, like that being said, and me fighting with people about that. Farah and Dan learned that it was one of their neighbors who made Islamophobic comments about the design of their house. It made them want to live in a place where they weren't outsiders.

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I was in ninth grade at the time, and I remember coming home and there were like boxes packed everywhere. Farah wanted to move the family to a Muslim-majority country. Dan quit his job and planned to work remotely on tech startups in Asia. A few months later, they went to visit a family friend in Bali, Indonesia. And then we didn't leave.

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Bali's actually majority Hindu, but Farah felt comfortable there, and they found the perfect property. It was a big piece of land, and there's a river down below. And you look across at rice fields, and you could see on a clear day Mount Agung, which is the big volcano in Bali in the distance. It was incredible, beautiful, beautiful. But at the time, it was just a piece of land.

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There was nothing on it. The family packed up their whole lives, put most of it in storage, and relocated to Bali. They got to work building an estate, complete with an organic garden and a set of traditional Javanese villas. They're called joglos, and they're these really cool Indonesian structures that are like no nails.

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The family came together with neighbors and friends to help with the construction. They also started a main house where the family would live. It was a huge undertaking. And though she was 14, Sage knew her parents were taking a big risk. Buying that property was like everything we had. So like you're putting all your eggs in that basket.

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To afford this piece of land and the construction costs, Dan and Farah had used all of their resources. They sold their property in Santa Barbara and put their savings, including all the money Dan had inherited from his parents, into the Bali property. Once it was completed, it would be an oasis, a tropical paradise for their family, one they could monetize.

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Farah had the idea to start a raw foods business at the house in Bali. They would host tourists and chefs who were leaders in the raw food movement. It's a diet of mostly fruits, nuts, and vegetables. Health and wellness was another big thing that she was into. She got really into like raw food and actually made a cookbook with like delicious raw food recipes.

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But like there were always extremes in that. That year, Farah took Sage on a solo trip to visit a community run by women. There's an Indonesian tribe that's still a matriarchal society, which was actually really sick. Like it was a very cool, beautiful, peaceful society. Sage was about 15.

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After that trip to visit the matriarchal society, Farah brought her daughter along more often, including for business matters and important errands. I started going to banks with her to do banking things. Around that same time, Farah began bringing the kids on trips with her, where she was buying gold bars.

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