Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.
Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. Neurolinguistic Programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey listeners, I'm Sean Flynn, host of the Brothers Ortiz podcast. And I'm excited to share this riveting story with you. But I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of the Brothers Ortiz 100% ad-free and one week early through the iHeart True Crime Plus subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts.
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In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune.
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Chapter 2: What shocking discovery does Saskia make in the middle of the night?
After that, they had another baby, a boy. We were ecstatic. We high-fived in the sonogram room because it was the first boy on his side of the family. And Alyssa loved her little brother. He was always holding his hand and pulling in places. Being a mom was a dream, but Saskia felt alone in her marriage. After five years, Chris just didn't feel like her person.
I felt like he didn't care about any of my needs or my wants. I've always wanted love and that wasn't it. So she asked Chris for a divorce and... He basically told me, you can leave. He didn't fight for her. Even though she had asked for the separation, it wasn't easy. They had a years-long custody battle. It was a very, very painful, difficult divorce.
I felt very unsteady and scared during that period. During this time, she leaned on her older sister, Marisa. Of all the women surrounding Saskia, all the people you'll hear from this season, Marisa is Saskia's rock. She drove Saskia to every one of our interviews, and she sat in the next room while we talked, just so Saskia could feel her support. Saskia is my best friend.
Over my lifetime, she's been the one person that I can be myself around and say anything to, and I feel like that's mutual. When Saskia first moved out, she stayed with Marisa. Marisa saw her sister cope with the separation. She was fragile, you know, definitely wanted it to work and did not want to be moving on and becoming a single parent to two little kids. I remember her crying a lot.
But at the same time, she was strong. She went out and got herself an apartment. She networked with her friends. She found her resilience. I was really proud of her. Here's Saskia again. I didn't wait very long after splitting up, getting my own apartment before I started looking for somebody.
I definitely wish that I would have healed from my first marriage, but I think that there was just so much work to do that I had no idea I had to do that I felt like I would find the answers in another person. Marisa could see how important it was to her sister to find a partner. Companionship is part of what gives us solace through hard times. You know what I mean?
That social interaction and being loved by somebody, it's like soothing. So I feel like she's always wanted that in her life. But Saskia knew if she wanted a real partner, she might have to go for something different, to look beyond her usual bad boys. So my sister helped me make a profile, a match. Marisa pushed her to look for someone driven, established in their career.
I was encouraging her to be choosy. She's always had professional careers and she's always been really great at her job because of her empathy and her compassion and her, you know, all of those strengths that she has. Saskia gave Matt her best shot. She went on a few dates, but no one impressed her. I was about to throw in the towel and just say, yeah, I don't feel like doing this anymore.
And that's when she found Mike. His pictures seemed really sweet. There was one of him with a dog, which, of course, tugs at my heart. And then he had a picture of him with his two daughters. He was in the midst of a divorce too. He was a single parent, a girl dad, and he had a good job. He worked for Bank of America. He was a vice president in marketing.
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Chapter 3: How does Saskia confront her husband about his secret life?
Mike in his button-down shirt and skinny jeans, swirling his wine, was anything but. I just kind of wanted to get through the date. And I remember afterwards telling my sister, like, he was nice. He's successful. Everything on paper sounds good, but I'm not sure if it was there. And I remember my sister saying, if he's not your usual type, that could be a good thing.
I actually encouraged her to go on a second date with him. I said, some guys are more second date material. Maybe him being timid on the first date means he's a regular guy. You know, not everybody has to be a huge personality off the gate. Saskia gave him another shot. And in round two, Mike started to grow on her. We were going to meet for a second date.
And I think I had something come up with the kids. So he suggested that we have a phone date and grab a glass of wine and we can talk. I'm not a phone person and it wasn't something that I thought that I would enjoy. But I thought it was really cute and endearing. By their third date, they both were a little more at ease. They got sushi.
And the date went well enough that Saskia brought him out with her co-workers. My friend was having a little birthday get-together, and we drove over to the bar, and everyone's just having fun, drinking, taking shots. And after the party, Saskia took Mike home. He slept over. In the morning, we ended up being intimate, and I was like, I can get with this. I could do this.
He was in really good shape. It felt like we had really good chemistry. It wasn't wild. It wasn't crazy. It just felt good. She started to see Mike in a new light. He made her feel safe and comfortable. And then it just kind of picked up after that. After a month of dating, it was time for Mike to meet Saskia's friend group. This wasn't an easy crowd to jump into.
After all, they've known each other forever. Here's another one of Saskia's friends, Bridget.
We just keep it real. We've known each other so long that we're not going to sugarcoat anything. If we see a red flag, we're going to be like, what are you doing? You're an idiot. Like, let me tell you what I see.
Bridget's a tough critic. And knowing all that Saskia had been through, she wasn't sure if she was going to like Mike. When she just got out of this one marriage, I was very protective. And I thought the world of him. I thought he was great. And I was like, finally, she deserves this. She deserves to be happy. Here's another friend, Heather. I liked him right away. I thought he was really nice.
He seemed kind. He seemed gentle. I just thought he was put together. Marisa, Saskia's sister, liked him too. Normal guy, seems even-keeled. He's not overly showy, trying to impress us. He's being polite, he's being respectful. Okay, you know, maybe this guy will work. With her friends' and sisters' approval, any doubts Saskia had about Mike went away.
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Chapter 4: What does Saskia's journey of healing and self-discovery look like?
And I just feel like you are the other half, the one who makes me complete. It is not easy to open up so much because you open yourself up to being hurt. But I don't care. I will do anything for you to know how I feel.
After years of feeling alone in her first marriage, Mike's words meant a lot. He made it clear how much he loved her. Whenever he traveled for work... We always had a nice, sweet kiss before he left and a big hug. And we would talk every night. And he would always bring me something from his trips, like a bracelet or a little trinket. But there was one final test their relationship had to pass.
Introducing their kids... At the time, Mike's daughters were 11 and seven. Saskia's daughter was five and her son was three. They set aside a whole Saturday for the kids to finally meet. We met at Dave and Buster's in the mall. I brought my kids. He brought his kids.
And his daughter grabbed my daughter's hand and they were walking around together and just so excited to show each other their favorite games. And we had them pick out prizes at the end. And that was our first meeting. And they basically were best friends after that.
from that point on they began hanging out more and more all six of them shortly after that we were at my apartment and we had a power outage no electricity and didn't know when we were gonna get electricity turned on so we all made a trip to mike's apartment and so we had a little like family bonding there and it was really cute we had to like
figure out who's going to sleep where in this little two-bedroom apartment. It turned into a really fun time. Mike's daughters started to feel like her own. As co-parents, Mike and Saskia made a good team. They balanced each other out. He was kind of more the organized, practical one. I was more the social coordinator and the nurturing, fun mom. And so he relied on me for that.
And like I relied on him for saying like, OK, it's time to go to bed or those kinds of things. Saskia always loved motherhood and she loved having a packed house. I liked having the four kids together. It was like your breakfast is like a little conveyor belt. I liked it. I liked being a mom of four and we were a family.
I wish I could say that we had a happy end to our story, but that wasn't reality. What if mind control is real?
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?
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Chapter 5: What challenges does Saskia face during her divorce process?
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Hey, it's Joel and Matt from How To Money.
If your New Year's resolution is to finally get your finances in shape, we've got your back. Prices, they're still high, and the economy is all over the place.
But 2026 is the year for you to get intentional and make real progress. That's right. Yeah, each week we break down what's happening with your money, the most important issues to focus on, and the small moves that make a big difference. Kick off the year with confidence. Listen to How To Money on the iHeartRadio app,
If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult?
NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chapter 6: How does Saskia's relationship with her sister support her during tough times?
Hey, listeners. I'm Sean Flynn, host of the Brothers Ortiz podcast. And I'm excited to share this riveting story with you. But I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of the Brothers Ortiz 100% ad-free and one week early through the iHeart True Crime Plus subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts.
Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like The Girlfriends, Paper Ghosts, Piketon Massacre, Murder Homes, Unrestorable, The Godmother, Betrayal, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today.
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