Our presidential leadership series rolls along with a visit from Jackie Rowles, MBA, CRNA, ANP-BC, FAAN, who served as AANA President in 2009-10. She brought a background in pain management to the position and led the organization through a transitional period for the board. Not only has she made a significant impact on the profession, but she continues to be a leader at the International level. Read more and get additional resources here: https://beyondthemaskpodcast.com/?p=2336 Today's rundown: 2:47 – Welcome in our guest Jackie Rowles, who gives us a quick overview of her career. 3:42 – Jackie’s dad was an amazing person and took such an interest in nurse anesthesia. 7:08 – How she had been recruited into a pain management practice before becoming president. 9:12 – In October of 2008, they had their first AANA sponsored pain management education and the timing worked out for her. 10:14 – Pain management has come full circle and has been legitimized and appreciated today. But it took 15 years. 11:11 – The VA Pain Act was signed. 12:49 – What were some of the internal issues she dealt with during her presidency? 15:34 – Why it was different working with John Garde. 17:04 – John Garde made the change of Executive Director smooth but he got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. 21:08 – After John’s funeral, Jackie became interim Executive Director during the final weeks of her presidency. 22:33 – Sharon shares her memory of Jackie during that time and the story about a cruise they were taking together. 25:15 – A couple more highlights that Jackie wants to document. 31:13 – The most valuable leadership lessons she learned. 36:05 – What message would you give new CRNAs? 37:25 – If she could pick any other profession, what would it be? 39:07 – Jackie’s final message to everyone.

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