In this episode of Beyond the Noise, Matt sits down with Miguel de Icaza, co-founder of GNOME, Mono, and Xamarin, and one of the most influential figures in the history of free and open-source software. Miguel takes us back to his early days in Mexico, where a crashing Windows machine and a printout of FTP sites set him on a path toward GNU, Linux, and eventually building one of the first serious open-source desktop environments. He traces the arc from true-believer GNU fanatic to pragmatic entrepreneur: what it felt like to ship a proprietary Exchange plugin and get kicked off the FSF board for it, why pure open-source business models kept hitting the same wall, and how .NET offered a clean slate that stalled Java efforts never provided.The conversation then shifts to mobile, fragmentation, and what comes after a long career building for other developers. Miguel breaks down the operational nightmare of Android fragmentation versus iOS's relative stability, and why the sheer volume of crashes was enough to shift his platform allegiances for good. He covers Xamarin's acquisition by Microsoft, what a cultural reset inside a famously combative company taught him about management, and his current chapter: a post-Microsoft bet on Godot, a Swift binding hacked together on spare afternoons, and a game engine IDE that half his users are running on their phones.

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