Trial By TikTok With Amber Heard's Lawyer, Jen Robinson
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Who is Jen Robinson and what is her background in human‑rights and media law?
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Today's guest is genuinely a bit of a hero of mine. Jen Robinson is one of Australia's most famous human rights and media lawyers. She's a barrister at Dowdy Street Chambers in London, a road scholar, and has advised some of the biggest media organizations in the world and has spent her career fighting for freedom of speech and the rights of journalists and women to tell their stories. She's also been a part of Julian Assange's legal team. She worked with the New York Times during its investigation into the Murdoch phone. Hacking scandal. She's represented political prisoners and human rights defenders around the world. And she represented Amber Heard in the 2020 UK defamation case bought by Johnny Depp against the sun.
And that last case is part of what I really wanted to talk to Jen about today. Because we are living in this incredibly strange era where a court case can be happening in an actual courtroom while an entirely different trial is happening simultaneously on T. TikTok. We've seen it with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. We've seen versions of it since with cases involving some of the biggest celebrities in the world. Clips are cut up, algorithms reward the most outrageous interpretation, bot campaigns and coordinated online activity can distort what looks like public opinion. And suddenly millions of us can feel like we understand a legal case from a 30-second video on our phones. So I wanted to ask Jen what we should actually be watching out for when.
A high-profile case takes over our feeds and how we distinguish evidence from content. But this conversation is also about something much bigger. Jen also wrote the book How Many More Women, which examined the ways that defamation laws and other legal mechanisms can be used against women and journalists who speak out against violence and abuse. And how that work inspired her documentary Silenced. I saw Silenced recently. I was incredibly moved by it. I think it's horrifying to see how global this problem is and the personal, legal, and financial costs that come with speaking out continue to carry. But what I loved about this film and about Jen's work more broadly is that it doesn't leave you feeling hopeless.
So today I wanted to talk to her about the reality of trial. By TikTok, her experience representing Amber Heard, and what social media has done to our understanding of high-profile court cases, the weaponization of defamation law, and the chilling effect this can have on women and journalists, and what Jen thinks needs to change.
Jen, it is such a pleasure to have you on this podcast. You are, I know I I feel like I say this every time a guest comes on and I gush, but like you really are like a hero of mine. Well that's such such lovely kind words. Thank you. And it's really fun to be here with you. Thank you so much for coming on and I I was saying this just for voice out of recording, but I've seen the film silenced. I re-watched part of it in the office yesterday prepping for this and Justine, my producer, turned to me and was like, girl, are you okay? You're crying? It's such an important watch for everyone. Yeah, congrats for making it and thank you for making it.
Oh, look, it's something I'm very proud of and something I felt compelled to do as part of the responsibility I feel to contribute. to my skills to ending violence against women and talking about it from the perspective that I bring as a free speech lawyer, but it's a real honour to be able to honour the legacy of my grandmother too. And you're not the only one who comes away. It's a very moving film. And it's you know, I don't want people to come away crying from it, but I do think the subject matter warrants it. And actually what I really love seeing people's reaction is that they are moved by these women's stories. I don't think you can't I don't think you can watch that film and not be moved by them.
But also women come out with anger. Yeah. And the kind of anger that motivates us to act.
It was such an overwhelm of feelings.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who is Jen Robinson and what is her background in human‑rights and media law?
0:02–6:43
2
How did Jen become involved in the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp defamation case?
6:43–13:37
3
What are the key ways defamation law is used to silence women and journalists?
13:37–20:57
4
How does ‘trial by TikTok’ distort high‑profile court cases like Depp vs Heard?
20:57–28:08
5
What was the legal strategy and outcome of the UK trial for Amber Heard?
28:08–35:30
6
How did online bot campaigns and media algorithms influence public perception of the case?
35:30–42:50
7
What does the documentary *Silenced* reveal about the broader global fight against violence‑against‑women?
42:50–49:24
8
What actions does Jen propose to protect survivors’ voices and safeguard free speech?
49:24–56:26
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