Chief Economist at Wolfe Research Stephanie Roth Talks November US CPI Report
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Stephanie Roth walks in, and it's really wicked cold in here, folks. I like it that way. And the whole room heats up because she's working the terminal like nothing. What do you see over there in the terminal, Stephanie Roth? of this inflation report, this shock?
It certainly is a shock. I think the main thing that we have to remember is there is a lot of error in this report. So I would not take much away from this. The key thing that there's an issue with in the sense that when they're sampling the data, specifically around November, that the survey period was condensed into later in the month when you typically have significant holiday discounting. And when we spoke with BLS, they said they're not doing anything to adjust those seasonals. So that automatically makes the data artificially weak. And we're probably going to see a bounce back in December.
Is there a trend we can take away from here that, boy, it's... At least inflation is not going up from here. Is that a fair takeaway? Maybe it's not cooling as much as these numbers might suggest, but it doesn't appear to be rising.
I think that's entirely fair.
Okay.
That there was this concern that around the holiday season, companies wouldn't really do the typical discounting that they usually do because of the tariffs. That doesn't appear to be the case. And we knew this heading into the data print because if you looked at a number of different indicators that survey the companies ahead of this holiday season, it showed a normal holiday discounting year. So it doesn't appear like there was this, you know, lapse in discounting just because of tariffs. In fact, it was a typical year for discounting. And then on top of that, you have some of the issues within the data because of the government shutdown.
So Myron's been out here, Governor Myron. We've got a lower rates. A whole bunch of other people.
Why do Wolfe Research and Bloomberg call the November US CPI report a 'shock'?
There's been a clear tendency within Bloomberg's surveillance of people looking at a disinflationary tendency. Is it a January tendency, or is there a Fed meeting waiting out midsummer?
Yeah, I mean, so I think... I think what we'll see is inflation will bounce back in the next couple of prints. The economy will start to pick up again, in which case the Fed's probably going to be on hold for much of the beginning of next year.
So again, so with the Fed, I mean, if you look at, so you don't think the Fed's going to look at these numbers and say, we've got inflation? I sure hope not. You sure hope not because you think the data in the next couple of months could in fact show a little bit more inflation in the economy.
Yeah, and we know that there was an issue. I mean, they didn't even collect the October CPI for the most part. We know that there are issues with the data. So to form a strong conclusion about this print in particular as being some massive disinflationary period, I think is entirely inaccurate.
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How did sampling timing and holiday discounting distort the November CPI data?
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All right, so we've got an inflation environment that's at least okay at this point.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:19
2
Why do Wolfe Research and Bloomberg call the November US CPI report a 'shock'?
2:19–3:38
3
How did sampling timing and holiday discounting distort the November CPI data?
3:38–5:12
4
Could the November CPI weakness be reversed in December — what bounceback should we expect?
5:12–6:17
5
How should investors interpret whether inflation is trending up or down after this print?
6:17–8:55
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