Former Kansas City Fed President Esther George Talks Federal Reserve
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Let's turn to the Federal Reserve. Recent dissents highlighting the lack of consensus at that institution as the central bank struggles with a data drought. The former Kansas City Fed President Esther George joins us now for more. Esther, we were just tracking that story with Mike McKee. I'm sure you were following along. Do you think this Federal Reserve is attempting to address a structural problem with interest rates?
Yes, I do, Jonathan. And I think that's what makes this so challenging for the committee. You can't ignore the story you just heard, which is there's something going on in the labor market. Things are moving in a way. And yet you can't really put your finger on. Is this change happening in real time? Is this going to settle out to a more stable view of what's going on with that labor market? Particularly when you are looking at what I would characterize as easy financial conditions and many of the other traditional signs that would go along with this labor market. data would lead you to think something different. So it is a challenging time and those cross currents of information and data are making it a tough job for the FOMC.
And it's an even tougher job for investors to understand how the FOMC is going to respond to that data because the reaction function doesn't seem clear. You have a lot of dissent, you've got a lot of fissures on the committee, but you also have, frankly, a question of how much they're looking at the unemployment rate versus the actual total number of jobs and how much that's taking priority over inflation. Do you have a greater sense of what that reaction function is?
Well, I do not, Lisa. And I think you see that in the discussion at the committee level, which is to say, where are we putting our weight? In September, the committee came out very clearly and said, we're putting our weight on the labor market. When we see this softening, we're inclined to bring our policy rate back to something that we are guessing is more normal than where it currently sits. And that narrative is held through to two meetings At this meeting, of course, we got the question mark, I think, of whether that narrative would continue. So the information coming in and the fact that you don't have official data to back up some of those views is going to make this, I think, difficult for individual members to really reconcile their views and come to terms with that.
Is this a Fed that has a dual mandate still, or does it have more mandates than that? And I wonder if it's also keeping interest rates within a reasonable level, especially with the deficit where it is, if that's an increasing factor, even if not verbalized, in the back of people's heads.
Well, the idea that the Fed needs to keep rates low to assist the federal government's debt position is certainly not one of its mandates, notwithstanding the pressure that you see coming from various corners to try to accommodate that. It is gonna become, I think, an increasingly difficult issue that will intersect with monetary policy because we know that these higher debt levels, without some plan in place to bring those deficit spendings down,
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