Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman Talks Economic Impact of US Government Shutdown
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With a big focus on the government shutdown and the economy, who better to talk to than Paul Krugman? Nobel laureate joins us right now here on The Close. And Professor Krugman, I do want to start off first with the shutdown. I mean, I was told heading into the shutdown, the shutdowns don't necessarily matter. They don't matter for the economy. They don't necessarily matter for the stock market. As somebody who spent, you know, quite an onerous time trying to get back home over this weekend on an airplane, I can assure you it does matter. Is there any way to sort of quantify what the potential impact is of a 41-day and counting government shutdown?
It's really hard to pin down. We can talk about the impact on spending. We can talk about laid off federal employees and the money they don't spend. But nobody has ever really tried to quantify, as far as I know, the effects of air traffic control delays. I mean, what we're learning is that actually we kind of need a functioning government to have a functioning economy. This wasn't long enough to really do a lot of damage, but it was enough to show us. A six-month shutdown would have been really, really bad. So it's significant. It's bigger than the standard macroeconomic analyses would suggest.
I am curious about just kind of the state of the economy heading into this shutdown. The idea that even if we do strike a deal over the next couple of days, it could take a couple of weeks to get back to anything resembling normalcy. When you look at the state of the economy prior to the shutdown, how fragile, if at all, did you see it to be?
Well, there's two things I would say. First, the shutdown, at least the chosen issue, involved health insurance, involved the enhanced benefits, which are going away on the Affordable Care Act. And Democrats caved on that. So 22 million Americans who have subsidized Obamacare insurance are about to see or in the process of seeing gigantic increases in their health insurance premiums, an average of 114%, according to Kaiser Family Foundation. And that is happening. That's happening despite the fact that the shutdown is over. So that's a pretty big factor. That's a pretty big hit, certainly, to the finances of a lot of families and probably some knock-on effects on the economy as a whole. The other thing you see is that people are really, really down on the economy.
I mean, we talked about a vibe session under Biden, but the vibe session now, I mean, the economy ain't as great as Trump claims. Grocery prices are not, in fact, way down. But people are really, really negative. We have the worst consumer sentiment about current economic conditions basically ever. Not just worse than 2022 when we had 9% inflation, but worse than the aftermath of the financial crisis, worse than the stagflation of 1980. People are really, really down on this economy. And I have to say, I don't think that the way this drama has been playing out is going to change that.
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