Pimco CEO Manny Roman Talks AI Financing, Private Markets, Fixed Income
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Meta is set to have selected PIMCO to help lead a $29 billion financing for its data center expansion. I'm happy to say that PIMCO CEO Manny Roman joins us now for more. Manny, good morning. Good morning, Jonathan. Nice to see you. It's good to see you, sir. How does a man like you deal with a 3 a.m. alarm clock on the West Coast? How does that work? You've got our life.
I make the best espresso known to mankind, you know, and you'll be happy. Triple espresso? Triple espresso. And it feels good every day and happy to be at work.
Well, I'm happy to have you with us this morning. Let's get into some of these deals. I know there's certain deals you can talk about, can't talk about. I want to talk in broad terms about the appetite here. For the capital that we need to provide to this particular force, this growing force, AI data centers, where it's going to come from, and where you and the team are going to fit in.
So I think it's a huge, super secular opportunity. There is an enormous need for funding and equity in data centers. I don't know whether the $6.7 trillion from McKinsey is remotely right, but it's very, very big, and there'll be plenty of financing deals to be done, and there'll be plenty of construction to be done, and it's true in the US, but it's true in other parts of the world. the need also to have the infrastructure and the energy will come after that. So, you know, we all talk about data center, but there's going to be a real rush for energy in terms of providing the right setup for all this data center.
What major financing opportunity is PIMCO involved in?
And, you know, that's one of the reasons to be very bullish on natural gas.
We've reflected on one particular statement from one particular tech CEO over the last 12 months that I think was really quite important. It was last summer. It was the Alphabet CEO when essentially he said that the greatest risk here was underinvesting and not overinvesting. And I wonder how you think about that from the perspective as an asset manager when you've got a group of companies that are willing to run the risk of overinvesting. How do you think about the risk around it?
In terms of... I think what we will do is we will look at every single deal and we will say, this makes sense for us and this may make less sense. And I think one of the strengths we have is to be pretty focused on relative value and sort of think that You know, there may be a fantastic deal to be done, which would be very, very good for our investors. And then we look at the next one in the full light of day and decide whether it fits our portfolio and whether it is something we want to do.
I think it's important to build on this that Mark Rowan said recently, we are what we originate. When it comes to private markets, you are what you originate. It's quite labor intensive. It takes a lot of work. When you think about scaling this and building this as an opportunity, how difficult is it in practice?
I think we have built it differently from Mark. We have built it based on our experience in fixed income, our experience in relative value in a history of 54 years in looking at all sorts of credit. We have 55 credit analysts who looks at every single segment of the market. And I think we look at it from a value standpoint. Does it make sense? Is it something we want to do? We shouldn't be originating for the sake of originating. And there's a lot of money coming to this market. Some sectors will be very attractive and some will be less so. And I think you want to be very much on top of this and say, I want to do this and I want to do less of this.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:02
2
What major financing opportunity is PIMCO involved in?
2:02–4:41
3
How is AI influencing investment in data centers?
4:41–8:33
4
What are the risks associated with overinvestment in AI?
8:33–9:31
5
How does PIMCO evaluate potential investment deals?
9:31–11:50
6
What challenges do private markets face today?
11:50–17:51
Speakers
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