Chapter 4 | Horse and Buggy
episodePreviously titled “Jeremy | Chapter 4 - Horse and Buggy” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 11, 2026
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Before I ever met Jeremy's former girlfriend, Jamie, before I knew Jamie and Jeremy had a son together named Justin, I read carefully through something she said about Jeremy in a deposition. Good morning. It is November 28, 2005. We are here in Winter Haven, Florida, taking the statement of Jamie Nellems, N-E-L-A-M-S. She said something that, as far as I could tell, no one had ever looked into.
So when I finally got to talk to her, I asked her about it.
One of the things that we learned about from your deposition was that, I think they asked if you were aware of Jeremy committing any other crimes. And he said to you, I killed a cab driver once. Can you just walk us through what you remember of that moment? Actually, we were at his grandmother's house. He had taken me to meet his grandmother out in St. Cloud somewhere, I think it was. And something had happened. because Jeremy was yelling at this guy, and he was angry, and he, I mean, he was furious with that. I can remember him being so angry with this guy that he was yelling at, and he had his fist clenched. Jeremy once told me about this conflict, too. It was between him and his mom's boyfriend. Jeremy said he was accusing this boyfriend of abusing his mom.
I told him if he ever touched my mom, I'd kill him. I meant that, right? I'm just telling it straight up. Jamie says she remembers that incident and Jeremy getting very angry. And he started to kind of lunge, and his grandmother said something about it. You need to stop. It's going to be just like with that cab driver. I think what she was saying is you're going to kill him. Don't do that. And I think that's what his grandmother was afraid of, that he was going to hurt this guy. And I can remember asking him, like, what'd she mean about the cab driver? And he said, he said, nothing, nothing, nothing. And he kept putting me off, putting me off. Well, it was middle of the night. I can remember us laying down and we were on a mattress on the floor. And I was almost asleep. And I can remember him saying, My grandma thinks I killed a cab driver. That's how he said it. My grandma thinks I killed a cab driver. And I didn't say anything.
And he said, are you asleep? And I said, no. He said, did you hear me? And I said, yeah. I said, did you kill the cab driver? And he said, yeah, but it was, I got away with it. And then he wouldn't talk about it anymore.
If you've been listening since the beginning of this story, you've heard Jeremy tell me a little about this murder.
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Speakers
23 identified
Buddy Shepard 4 min
Janet LeVere 3 min
Soledad O'Brien 2 min
K Factor Host 2 min
John Smith 1 min
Detective 1 min
Poetry Reader 1 min
Listener (Aaron) 1 min
Max Chastin
Narrator
Witness
Tanya Dean
Kelsey
Jane Doe
iHeart Podcast Intro
Stacey Vanek-Smith (Everybody's Business Host)
Anonymous Caller
Another Host
Bomhan
Janet
Dan Odie
Gilbert's Interviewee
Joseph LeVere