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Brooke and Jeffrey

Second Date Update: Escape Room Alpha

20 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What makes a successful first date?

0.031 - 2.935 Mallory

And she said, Johnny, the kids didn't come home last night.

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Along the central Texas plains, teens are dying. Suicides that don't make sense. Strange accidents and brutal murders.

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14.509 - 18.774 Jeffrey

In what seems to be a plot ripped straight out of Breaking Bad.

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19.255 - 25.583 Brooke

Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people. There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.

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Listen to Paper Ghosts, The Texas Teen Murders on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro.

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We were in the car, like a rolling stone came on, and he said, there's a line in there about your mother.

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And I said, what?

43.315 - 48.803 Jeffrey

What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have.

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I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened. These are just a few of the moving and important stories on my 13th season of Family Secrets.

Chapter 2: How does one test their date's personality?

67.16 - 89.05 Dr. Leitra Tate

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Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Adria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you.

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114.579 - 120.368 Dr. Elizabeth Poynter

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130.357 - 137.225 Jeffrey

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Chapter 3: What unusual date activity did Mallory choose?

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Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you. Let's go.

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it's big on the east coast right now there's definitely some weird ones out there and one we came across recently is called the alpha challenge what's up and i think our listener might fit underneath that umbrella because she admits she likes to test men whenever they go out on a date

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Okay.

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She says she feels like maybe she crossed the line this most recent time. So let's welcome to the show Mallory. How you doing, Mallory?

Chapter 4: How did John react to being locked in the escape room?

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Hi, guys. I'm okay. Oh, my God. I'll tell you, we've never had a dating test that hasn't failed on this show. Yeah. Every time someone is like, well, I'm going to test them. Like, it never works out. Or it backfires. Like, it works. Absolutely. So you said maybe you feel like you crossed the line. Why don't you start by telling us the name of this guy that you met?

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226.392 - 242.131 Jeffrey

Okay, so the guy's name was John, and we met online, and so many men's profiles, they try and act like they're alphas, like they do the big fish thing, like I'm such a man. And it's like, if you gotta do the big fish, I don't know if you really are. Okay.

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Chapter 5: What signs indicated John's frustration during the date?

242.551 - 257.472 Jeffrey

Wow. I've never heard a girl say that. There's a lot of guys who are offended right now hearing that. No, women hate the fish pictures. Really? Yeah. Who are they for? They're only for you. These are only for you. Okay. Okay. Well, you don't get to split any of our fish then after we come and cook it up.

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That's all for us.

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I'm sure you know how to fillet a fish.

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Yeah.

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Chapter 6: How did Mallory feel about her alpha test of John?

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My housekeeper Lucy does, and that's all that matters. You should see her fillet a halibut. Are these the alphas that you're talking about, just like Jeffrey?

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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Okay. Anyway, back to this guy, John, what was his deal? John did have his humongous fish picture. And I was like, all right, you look kind of manly. So I'm thinking like, if this is legit, if he's anything like this, like we're good, we're probably going to make out well here. Okay. All right. Yeah. That too.

Chapter 7: What was John's response to the escape room experience?

289.34 - 306.38 Jeffrey

She's a fan of this. Yeah. You were. Yes. Total fan, total fan. And so our first date, he was like, let's do an escape room. And he, I've done those before. I've done those with guys on dates. And I think you see a lot about a person because there's all this problem solving and puzzles and you really get to see.

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It's a good chance for him to show off all of his alpha skills in order to escape you from the room. Yeah. Like, let me see what you got. We met at a bar nearby first and he walks in. Looking real good.

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Chapter 8: Why did Mallory decide not to pursue a second date with John?

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He's beefy. He's tall. And I was all about it. Okay. So he's like a man's man. And you're totally digging it. Totally digging it. So I figured, okay, how do I test this guy? Like, how am I going to figure out if he's really an alpha in this escape room? So we went to the first room and he actually surprised me because it was like this kind of creepy room.

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And he's like, oh, I recognize this place. I think my ex lived here. And I was like, OK. So he's funny, too. OK. Yeah, exactly. So that could go either way. Are you funny or can you own it? So then we go to the second room and there's this like closet thing. And so he goes in and I just closed the door behind him and I locked it. Wait. Whoa. What? You locked him in a closet?

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I locked him in the closet. And I'm like, all right, this is the perfect test. Can this man be a man and get himself out of there? I don't know. I feel like it's a red flag if a guy can pick a lock. Yeah. No, I think I'd be like, this man knows how to be a man. I think I would have dug it. Okay, so what happens? So he's in there like fumbling around for like about 10 minutes. Oh, my God.

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Wait, what was his mood? Was he getting angry at you? At the very beginning, he was laughing. He thought it was a joke. But as the minutes went on, he was not as playful. He was kind of pissed. I'm sure it's getting hot in there. Imagine what the person who's watching your room is thinking. Like the employees watch you to give you clues.

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A real alpha would have taken out his fish from his pocket, picked the bones and turned them into a key and unlocked the door. That's the kind of man I want. Yeah, exactly. I see where you're coming from. Wait, did you feel bad at all? Not at all. I feel like this was a really solid test. And I feel like I gave the guy a really, you know, like an opportunity to prove himself.

428.701 - 444.298 Jeffrey

So I think I was doing a good thing. And then the guy that ran the escape room, he like walked in. He's like, is everything OK in here? He's like, you want me to unlock it? And I'm like, no, no, no, no. This was the hotel. Let him out?

444.458 - 446.521 Brooke

And we're wondering why he's not calling you back.

447.422 - 468.267 Jeffrey

Well, hold on, hold on. How does the escape room experience end? Did he figure it out? So we gave him a few more minutes, and then I let the guy let him out, and he was super salty. You know what? It's fine, because at that point, I already know, like, we're not a match. This guy couldn't get out by himself, so he's not for me anyway. Yeah, this is confusing then.

468.607 - 491.413 Jeffrey

Well, so wait, so then we leave, and I'm like, okay, can you just take me home? And he goes, no, why don't you go Uber yourself home? Yeah. I mean, yeah. And I was like, that's my kind of man. Once he wanted me to take my own Uber and he didn't want to drive me home, I was like, that's the alpha man I'm looking for. Girl. He stood up for himself. He finally took a stand against you there.

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