Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Gail King, welcome to Call Her Daddy. I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you so much. I'm so, so happy to be here with you. I know you're also very busy, so thank you for taking the time to sit down with me. Like you're not busy.
We are, as the kids say, booked and busy. And you are one of the kids. No.
Chapter 2: What insights does Gayle King share about her career journey?
Who are you, Gail? Okay.
I feel like one of the kids. Honest to God, I feel like one of the kids.
No, you just told me, you're like, you did your whole morning show. You're here and then you're going to be on Broadway later. Yes, yes, yes. And no time for that.
Broadway tonight. Broadway tonight.
Okay. For the past 14 years, you have been hosting the CBS Morning Show. And in addition to that, you are the editor at large of Oprah Daily.
Yes.
You have had such a successful career, and I'm just so excited to get into all of it with you today. I realized something, though. What? Last time we were together. Yep. We kind of went viral. Actually, you went viral. No, you went viral. No, no, no. You went viral because... What happened? Okay, let's tell the people if they're not familiar.
What happened?
So I went on Gail's show and... CBS Mornings. Yes, she did. CBS Mornings, you know. And Gail proceeds to ask me what my favorite sex position with my husband is. Like that's an unfair question to you. And... Absolutely fair question. However, I swore I saw like the cameraman dropped to the ground. The lights are like falling. People are running in the background.
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Chapter 3: What advice does Gayle offer to young women entering the workforce?
Yes. Yes.
And it feels it can feel so isolating. You can feel really disconnected. And I find that the most beautiful relationships in my life. Of course, I love my family and my husband. But like really having that girlfriend or those girlfriends that can have your back. It made me emotional for you when Oprah said this about you when Barbara Walters interviewed her a few years ago.
And she said she is the mother I never had. No. She's the sister everyone would want. She's the friend that everyone deserves. I don't know a better person. And she said she never really expressed that before.
I got choked up watching that. I'm sitting there watching Barbara Walters eating my popcorn. And then I called her and said, oh my God, I can't believe what you just said. Because I never thought about myself in that capacity, all those things to her. But But we do have a very unique bond. I got in trouble once when I said, you know, because I'm single, alert, and available.
I said, if I could meet a guy that was like Oprah, I'd be done. And then people took that all out of context, as they often do. I mean, I said, you know, when I die, I'd like to come back as one of her dogs. They travel very well, Alex. Kashmir, private planes, sign me up.
Call me shallow. I am so coming back as one of Oprah's dogs. I'm right there with you. I don't care if that's shallow. Okay, wait, two things. Number one, why do you think that you never thought or saw yourself like that when you heard Oprah say that about you?
Because we're just living our lives. People say, what do you guys do? What do you talk about? I go, everything and nothing. You know, don't you call in, you don't even have anything really to talk about other than what you're doing. You're like eating in the pantry or walking around your kitchen. No, mine is Betty Crocker chocolate frosting out of the can. Love, love.
You're just like eating your frosting like Oprah and she's like, Gail.
You're like, what are you doing? You know, so it could be big things. It could be little things.
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Chapter 4: How did Gayle King navigate her friendship with Oprah Winfrey?
And when you find out something happened behind closed doors that you somehow find out about, it's so disorienting and it makes you really rethink a lot of things going on around you. It does. But it doesn't make you rethink those people that have always been your day ones.
I mean, that's why... You know, Oprah has such a good spidey sense. I can remember when I had a boyfriend in high school who I just thought was the cutest, da-da-da-da-da. I hadn't talked to him in 20 years, and he reached out to me and said, you know, he would like to see me. And I was like, yes, I would love to see you. And Oprah said, don't bring him to your house. I go, why?
She said, because you haven't talked to him in 20 years. You don't know him. I go, yeah, but he was da-da-da-da-da. She goes, I'm telling you, don't bring him to your house. Well, of course, I brought him to my house. So I met in New York, and I said, I met in New York, and I said, I like how this is going. Come back. I lived in Connecticut at the time.
And so we brought him back to the house in Connecticut. And she called and said, how'd it go? I go, it was great. She said, you didn't bring him to the house.
Chapter 5: How does Gayle King define true friendship?
I go, no, I didn't. You told me not to. Of course I didn't bring him back to the house. She goes, well, that's interesting. So you didn't bring him? I go, no, I didn't. Why are you asking? She said, because the National Enquirer has called.
And they said they have a, they're calling with a story from, and said his name, that he said he spent the weekend with you and that he was at your home and that there is a shrine to Oprah in your home, which is absolutely not true. There's a shrine to Oprah in your home and he has evidence of that. And they wanted to know if I had a comment about that. So I was totally busted.
Totally, totally busted. Only to find out Alex, he was a cocaine addict. So there was a time that I had fallen asleep. We had had burgers. It was great. We were cooking on the grill. We were in the hot tub. And I did fall asleep because I felt safe. Mr. Mann had gone around taking pictures, had pictures of me sleeping. And was offering to sell it to the National Enquirer.
But Oprah, she set me up so beautifully. She said, so you didn't bring them? No, because you said no, don't bring them. No. She's like, we went to a play, I said. And then we went to a restaurant. We went for a carriage ride in Central Park.
She's like, so you weren't wearing your blue nightie last night and you weren't sleeping to the left side of the exactly 11? Because he took a picture of you and you're like, shit. So the goal, basically the whole rule is always trust Oprah.
Yes.
That's a good rule. Always trust Oprah. Wait, Gail, no. I know. But even that, first of all, the lack of privacy and the complete invasion of the complete lack of boundaries, the entitlement, the intentions are so off. Clearly he had a vision of what he wanted to do that night.
Alex, I don't think he liked me. Alex... I think the whole thing was a setup. So I felt stupid with two O's.
I would say no, no, but the shrine comment, you're like, he had an agenda.
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Chapter 6: What led to the end of Gayle King's marriage?
And so I was extremely involved. When they got in Little League, I don't want to go to all those frigging games. Maybe you'll feel differently, but they have too many frigging Little League games. You're bored out of your mind. And I would say to the other parents, are you guys enjoying this? They just went into extra innings. They go, oh, Gail, don't say that.
I go, seriously, are you enjoying this? When you have the Christmas play or the holiday play, they don't have to sing six frigging songs. They can sing two. They don't need to sing six. All off key. You'll see. But I still loved all of those things. And don't let anybody make you feel guilty. I refuse to do that. I refuse.
That's good advice for me. I'm going to take that. No guilt.
No, because you're working and you like working. And you're there for the important things. I remember when, you know, it was my time to bring cupcakes. And this woman said, oh, you bought those. Yes, I did. I wouldn't say, bitch. Yes, I did. Because she had her little carrier that she had made and the little sprinkles and, you know, the little Tupperware thing. And I go, yes, these are Intimans.
I just got them at Stop and Shop on the way here. And they're delicious. And they are delicious. Or another time when Kirby walked for the first time, somebody said to me, oh, you must feel terrible. You didn't see her first steps. I go, she walked at noon, bitch. It's now 5.30. She's not running. She's not in a marathon. And he had videotaped it. So she was trying to make me feel bad.
And I just, I refuse to allow people to do that. Right. You know how good of a mother you are. Yes. I thought I was, listen, was I perfect? No, but I didn't get the nutrition right. Please do better than that. Because they were raised on SpaghettiOs and tater tots. I don't recommend that.
You know what? My mom did the same, and I think I turned out fine.
Did she do that?
Yeah, she was like, listen, I don't know how to cook, so just here you go.
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