Minister for Foreign Affairs on the Triple Lock
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The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk with Aviva Insurance.
I'm joined now in the studio by the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Fianna Fáil TD from Eid East, Helen McEntee. Good morning to you. You're welcome to the programme. I want to start with the triple lock because you've said that the government is in lockstep on the triple lock and the changes that are coming down the track. There's considerable unrest though in Fianna Fáil over it. Are you concerned about that?
Look, I think it's only natural if you're changing what is longstanding policy or legislation, there's going to be debate and discussion. But I mean, I saw this week alone, three Fianna Fáil colleagues who were out very clearly in support of that change.
But 20 backbenchers led by Willie O'Dea are very firmly set against it. They're very concerned about it.
So again, my understanding is that they're asking for debate on what exactly it means. I mean, we've had the triple lock in legislation for a number of decades now. And what we're proposing to change, and this was agreed in our programme for government, is that we would remove the element of it, which essentially allows countries like China, like Russia, like the US to dictate not only where we keep our peacekeeping troops, but potentially where we send them. And personally, and I think most people agree, it shouldn't be for any country to decide where we send our troops. And it's important that we have this debate.
What is the Triple Lock and why is it significant?
It's important that we discuss it because I do think there's a lot of misinformation out there.
Yeah, but I'm sure you understand the concerns because the triple lock is in legislation because of the Nice Treaty when people were concerned about neutrality. And that's when it was put in legislation so that people could be reassured. Now to turn around and say, well, it doesn't impact neutrality, but it did then. It doesn't sit well with people. It's concerning.
Well, look, the first thing I'd say is we were a neutral country before the triple lock was introduced. We've been a neutral country always.
What are the concerns within Fianna Fáil regarding the Triple Lock changes?
That's not going to change. So we're not proposing that that would change. And what I'd say is we'll continue to be a neutral country. When we introduced the triple lock, this was about making sure that we could. provide a very clear picture and a process as to how our troops were sent abroad. It was at a time when the UN Security Council was operating in a very different way. And I think we all have to take on board the fact that time has changed and the council itself is not working. So we've had no new UN mandated peacekeeping mission since 2014 because they've either been blocked or they haven't gone to a vote because you have five permanent members on that council that can decide to veto any vote.
We now have a situation where our troops that have spent decades in the Lebanon are now having to remove themselves from the Lebanon in the next six months because it was not allowed to continue, because there was going to be very clearly a voting down of that mission by the US if it went to a vote. Now, how can we allow a situation as a country? We are the only country in the world that would allow a situation whereby another country, another superpower, the likes of Russia, that is waging a war in Ukraine for the past four years, that they would be able to dictate where we send our troops. And we've had in the last three weeks alone another mission that we've been six years a part of. It's in the Mediterranean.
It was called Operation Arena, or it still is because other troops are still there. But because that is not continuing with the UN mandated mission, our troops quite literally overnight had to come home. And I happened to be in Italy at the time and I met with those three officers that were there. And they've said the only people that are losing out, it's the Irish people because of the experience, because of what we contribute, how well we are regarded on these missions. And they are all peacekeeping missions. So to reassure people, because I think this narrative that we're going to suddenly become this country that sends our troops off to war, the legislation that is being proposed and that government has proposed is...
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–1:17
2
What is the Triple Lock and why is it significant?
1:17–1:45
3
What are the concerns within Fianna Fáil regarding the Triple Lock changes?
1:45–4:15
4
How does the proposed change to the Triple Lock affect Ireland's neutrality?
4:15–9:25
5
What challenges are faced by Irish peacekeeping missions under the current system?
9:25–21:20