What if the biggest barrier to innovation in your organization isn't a lack of ideas but a lack of trust?Most leaders say they want change. They want innovation, creativity, teams that take initiative. But when someone actually steps up to try something new, the response is usually some version of "Wait, did you get approval for that?" We've created systems that demand permission slips for experimentation, and then we wonder why nothing actually changes.On this episode, host Jason Stonehouse interviews Kim Bohr, President and COO of SparkEffect, architect of the Trust Elasticity framework, and a leader with over 25 years of experience guiding organizations through leadership transitions, AI rollouts, and messy restructures. Kim helps executive teams lead through disruption without losing their people in the process, and she doesn't deal in theory or aspirational vision statements. She's all about what actually works when you're trying to shift culture, build trust, and create space for people to fail forward without getting crushed.Jason and Kim dig into why so many change initiatives collapse under their own weight, what it really takes to move from talking about innovation to actually doing it, and how leaders can stop micromanaging outcomes and start trusting their teams to figure things out. They explore the difference between building a culture of permission and building a culture of trust, why failure has to be safe before experimentation becomes possible, and how to lead change when you don't have all the answers yet.If you've ever felt stuck between wanting your team to take ownership and feeling terrified when they actually do, this conversation will challenge how you think about control, risk, and what it means to lead in the middle of uncertainty.Links mentioned in this episode:Connect with Kim Bohr: kimbohr.comIf this episode challenged your thinking, share it with another leader who needs to hear it. And don't forget to subscribe so you never miss a conversation that helps you lead with clarity and confidence.

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