Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
All right, you guys, I am so excited. I have been saying, probably seen this all over online, that I have been dying to host Anna Kasparian because I feel like at the exact same time, her and I had perhaps a broader awakening about this left-right paradigm that is not serving the left or the right and is only serving the elites. It's how we are all feeling right now.
Chapter 2: What prompted the discussion about changing political views?
And similarly, her and I are both under a very severe attack from Zionists who, I guess, want our families to be harassed Yes. Thank you.
Thank you. Well, first of all, it started with your firing at The Daily Wire and what you were fired for, right? The fact that you were willing to call out a genocide for what it is. And I really respected that because there weren't really any media people on the right at all at that time who were willing to do it.
Then after that, you went on, I think maybe a few podcasts where you talked about your evolution in regard to your perception of Muslims. And I was like, okay, that takes an honest person to say that, to like admit I was wrong. And especially on the right where...
know the islamophobia which i think is the product of brainwashing is still very much prominent right and then the final thing that happened was you went on i think it was breaking points you were talking to saga and jetty this is before the election you were in support of donald trump at the time but saga asked you you know you're against invading iran or going to war with iran
What would you do if Trump gets elected and he goes to war with Iran? You just straight up said, I will no longer support him and I'll be vocal about it. And I'm like, okay, we'll see. We'll see. And you made good on that promise. And I really appreciate that.
Yeah, I think for me, I had to sort of re-examine. It takes a lot of humility, I think, when you have a public platform, people are always rooting for you to be wrong anyway. And I think it's the reason that so many people hold on to ideas even when they know they're wrong. They just don't want to do the thing and go through the process But people love it.
People love when you're willing to be honest about what you were incorrect about and that you're willing to recalibrate or evolve on an issue. I know that I'm growing and evolving. I mean, I started working at TYT when I was like 20 years old. And so I'm now going to turn 40 in July. So that's 20 years for me to not change at all. would be ridiculous and embarrassing, to be quite frank. Right.
And so I'm proud of my changes. I'm open minded. I'm willing to have conversations with just about anyone as long as I know it's going to be good faith. And we have to find a way to bring the American people together because We are in the fight of our lives. Our government is not representing us.
And the only way we can change things is if we're willing to build coalitions and work together on our system of government and making the reforms that we need. We need to get money out of politics. We need to ensure that foreign governments do not have a say on our foreign policy or our domestic policy. If we don't do that, we're screwed. Our country's done.
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Chapter 3: How does the conversation address the perception of Muslims?
I was like, oh, I figured this out. Republicans have it right. And the left has it, you know, Democrats have it wrong. And I felt so great about that. I felt like so free and so smart. And so then when I went through this second process and was going, wait a minute, why is genocide sometimes OK? And going, I can't have gotten that wrong. Come on. Come on, Republicans.
This is obviously what's happening in Gaza is wrong. It's kind of a scary process because then you have to you go, how could I have had this so wrong? Totally. How could I have had this so wrong?
It is. It's a scary process because politics has become more than just, oh, this is a group of people I agree with on policies. It it turned into, I think, a replacement for religion for some people. It turned into because think about, you know, the era when everyone went to church or everyone went to temple or, you know, mosque, whatever. It's your community, right?
These are people that you communicate with. These are people who might have different politics than you, but you share a faith. And as a result, you have exposure to people who have different ideas. But then as people became less and less religious in this country, I think. Politics or political parties kind of became the church. Right.
And it's scary to go against your community. Right. And that's it. You suddenly find yourself in a position where you have to make all new like political friends, so to speak. Exactly. Yes. And then you see what they are capable of. What they are willing to do, how much it is, just as you're describing, not even a religion, a cult. And how quickly I was sort of excommunicated.
And they tried to, just as if you're leaving a cult, convince me that I was the crazy person. Right. For saying something so sensible like, hey, killing kids is wrong. We shouldn't do that. Like saying a statement like Brian Mast did about the Palestinians. There's no such thing as an innocent Palestinian, which is what I was tweeting about in particular.
Everyone should just have been like, of course, this is a wrong statement from Brian Mast. But they tried to play this psychological game on me where they were gaslighting me.
Like, you were in the wrong because you realized that you have a sitting United States congressman wearing the uniform of a foreign country in the halls of Congress talking about how it's okay to just slaughter an entire group of people, including women, children, elderly people, Because of the cult he's in. It is a cult. And, I mean, what are our values as a country?
And the other thing is, the fact that you were willing to put everything on the line to speak out against the genocide in Gaza made me realize that you are actually good faith on other political views you have, right? Because I'm pro-choice. That hasn't changed. I mean, I'm definitely not in favor of, you know... Late-term abortions happen, but they're very rare.
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Chapter 4: What challenges do public figures face when evolving their views?
Because when you're critical of, let's say, the Black community, oh, they love it, right? That's when... You get a platform and you get all the plaudits and speaking engagements. But once you speak out against what's happening in Gaza... you're not that useful tool anymore.
That was one of the things that was really hard for me to contend with personally because obviously when I was at The Daily Wire, we were actually kind of in the midst of the same topic really, right? So it's like you're talking about a race. You're saying, okay, this thing happened. So they were saying October 7th happened. BLM was saying the George Floyd thing happened.
This is going to be the impetus now. And they were doing things that, in my view, Still to this day, we're just wrong. I don't care what happened in Minnesota. You don't have the right to go into Target and grab a flat screen TV, right? And so I wanted to do a documentary. I wanted to dive deeper on the topic. And it was round of applause from a daily wire. This is amazing. Give her a platform.
Then I watched virtually the exact same thing, right? Using race as an excuse, saying, oh, well, we have to do this for Jews. You have this event, this event that happened, which was singular. And then they tried to extrapolate it. And I'm going, well, it's still wrong, right? Right. The law is the law. Like, you know, morality is morality.
It doesn't matter if a Black person does it or if a Jewish person does it. You don't get to rob and steal Palestinian homes. Exactly. And suddenly it was, you're an anti-Semite. You deserve to have nothing. You shouldn't even be allowed to travel to Australia because you are akin to Adolf Hitler.
That's crazy.
The same people that gave me the platform. And so I, yeah, it was a very tough pill to swallow. So Australia banned you after you said that it's a genocide? Yeah, that was the beginning of every, I mean, I was temporarily banned for ads from YouTube because they are organized online and started mass reporting my new channel online. I got banned from Australia, got fired from the Daily Wire.
They started putting pressure, Ben Shapiro in particular, on, you know, this is the Zionist lobby. It's not just in America. It's global. And so I went from being a rock star to suddenly she is Adolf Hitler and deserves nothing in her life because she has a moral principle. So you kind of look and you go, well, I have two options here.
i can play the game yeah and do like the majority people do and just look the other way and say oh i don't really care about what's happening overseas go along to get along go along to get along or you you take a bold stand and you say i'll rebuild it because i don't i don't want to have a house that's made um because i'm silent on issues that actually impact my soul I want to get into heaven.
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Chapter 5: How do honesty and humility play a role in political discourse?
The first thing they do is they engage in intimidation tactics, censorship. The more the, you know, pro-Israel crowd and the Zionists attempt to censor people and intimidate them, the more counterproductive they're being for their own cause. Right. But they don't think.
Because it wakes people up. They don't think long term. They're always thinking short term and what's right in front of them. They're not trying to make friends. They're trying to terrify people. They operate exactly like a mafia.
Chapter 6: What is the significance of rejecting endless war?
Who would you say on the left of people that maybe were your heroes, were you shocked, didn't take the moral position?
I don't talk about him that often because it really does break my heart. I... He was the best reporter after the 2008 economic collapse, Matt Taibbi. He hasn't taken the wrong position. He's just decided to be silent for whatever reason. And that kind of breaks my heart because he's such an amazing journalist and reporter.
And I thought that he would be an important voice in exposing the truth to people. But for whatever reason, he's just decided to remain silent. And when people kind of started to nudge him about it, he continued to be silent and then defensive. And I'm like, there's something going on
And I'm also in a different place in my life where I don't feel the need to like just go out of my way to attack people. Like I used to be an attack dog a little bit. So I'm not like going out of my way to attack him or anything. I'm just disappointed. And so I just note it for the record and then I move on to people I can trust.
Yeah, so much of that, I think especially for me, like the, obviously the Charlie Kirk assassination. Yeah, I bet. It was just, I will never see politics the same.
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Chapter 7: How do personal experiences shape political beliefs?
I'm like, what did that man live for? He formed all of you. All of you. Me, everyone. I just thought there would be an army of people assembled. And I thought we'd have a truth in a week. This man is like the reason Donald Trump is in office. He was like brothers with Don Trump. So could you imagine the shock that I have gone through?
Like Kash Patel, who was the person writing hardcore for Kash Patel?
Kash? Josh Patel, there's something going on with that brother. I don't know what is going on with him, but there's something very strange about him. I mean, it could just be a lack of competence for the role that he's in. But when you consider the fact that he's our FBI director still...
When you consider the fact that we have depleted 80% of our missile interceptors because we've given military aid to Israel, Ukraine, we're currently using interceptors, you know, in this war against Iran, I'm worried about our national security. Our national security, like, and I'm not one of these, like, ooh, I'm going to scare everybody. I'm not a scaremonger.
And I never bought into national security threats or that narrative from the government when it came to manufacturing consent for wars that we got involved in.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of foreign influence on U.S. policy?
But right now, when you just look at the facts, our military capability is weakened. We don't have the manufacturing capacity that Iran has, for instance. They build $5,000 drones real quick. We have an entire corrupt system where these defense contractors, first of all, we don't have the industrial base and the manufacturing capacity to build these weapons as quickly as we would need, okay?
And then on top of that, just because we're spending an arm and a leg on our Pentagon, on our defense budget, doesn't mean that we're getting our money's worth. No, we're sending it overseas. We're sending it overseas, and on top of that, we're spending more than we need to on the weaponry that we purchase. The defense capabilities we purchase from these private defense contractors.
That's the kickbacks.
Yeah, that's the entire neocon class. Exactly. And that's the Meghan McCains of the world who sit up there, have accomplished absolutely nothing in their lives, but just sit up there and go war, war, war, war, war because my trust fund needs to grow and have the audacity to lecture us. I have a funny story about Meghan McCain.
I just, I am amazed that she has the audacity to ever speak, but will like, my daddy, that's her whole position in life. My daddy, she's never done literally anything other than say my daddy.
I've never met a woman in the media space or political space who's less intellectually curious. Most unimpressive. I mean, she used to host a show called Take Part Live. And at this time, she and I knew each other. And so I would fill in when one of the hosts was out. But we interacted. And I remember one time they called me in to be a guest on the panel.
And they were going to talk about, this is during the Obama administration, they were going to talk about Obama's expansion of drone use in, you know, the Middle East. And And a lot of innocent people were getting killed, you know, a lot of collateral damage. And people were very critical about that.
And so she just had to read an article so she would know what the story is as we talk about it on the show. She couldn't be bothered to read the article. She had no interest at all. I'm like, why are you even in this space? What are you doing?
You could see that even when she was on The View. Oh, totally. She just had nothing to add that was intellectual or that looked like she maybe studied. She just comes across like they had a butler who did her homework. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And that she reads very few books. There's just something about her. And yet she has this attitude and this sense of this arrogance.
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