As human beings, we are built for relationship. Yet many of the leadership models we inherit are hierarchical, extractive, and rooted in struggle. In this conversation, Nina and I explore: What relational leadership really means Why empathy, vulnerability, and collaboration are strengths — not weaknesses How climate justice, racial equity, gender equity, and economic reform are deeply interconnected Why “solving for pattern” (in the spirit of Wendell Berry) leads to cascading regenerative benefits The importance of integrating restorative, regenerative rhythms into our leadership and lives Nina also reflects on redefining sacrifice, embracing conflict as a doorway to deeper relationship, and leading from wholeness rather than burnout. Why This Matters Now We are living through overlapping crises — climate instability, political gridlock, reproductive rights rollbacks, and widening inequity. Nina reminds us that these are not separate issues, but interconnected systems. We will not achieve climate justice without racial and gender equity.We will not build regenerative economies without collaborative leadership.And we cannot solve systemic problems while remaining disconnected from one another — or from the Earth. Relational leadership invites us to lead not from dominance, but from interdependence. About Nina Simons Nina Simons is Co-founder and Chief Relationship Officer at Bioneers and leads its Everywoman’s Leadership program. Throughout her career across nonprofit, social entrepreneurship, corporate, and philanthropic sectors, Nina has worked with nearly a thousand diverse women leaders to cultivate mutual learning, trust, and transformative leadership. She is the author of Nature, Culture, and the Sacred: A Woman Listens for Leadership and co-editor of Moonrise: The Power of Women Leading from the Heart. Her work integrates ecological wisdom, spiritual insight, and systems thinking to inspire regenerative futures. Connect with Nina: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-simons/ Website: https://www.ninasimons.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/1ninasimons/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nina.simons Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/ninabioneers Join Me at Bioneers 2026 I’ll be attending Bioneers in Berkeley from March 26–28 and look forward to meeting Nina in person and hearing her speak live. If you’re considering going, now’s the time: https://conference.bioneers.org/ ***Use code BRINGAFRIEND for 2-for-1 pricing*** Let’s gather, learn, and co-create regenerative solutions together. Support Care More Be Better Care More Be Better is an independent, values-driven podcast. We answer only to our collective conscience. If you believe in regenerative leadership, systems change, and social impact storytelling, please: Subscribe, Rate & Review Share this episode Support the show at: https://www.caremorebebetter.com/support Together, we can care more and be better — and we can even regenerate our leadership models to heal people, planet, and the next generation. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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