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What personal anecdote kicks off the episode and who are the hosts and guest?
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Go. Don't build security programs around fear. Build them around credibility. Fear gets you attention for one quarter. Credibility gets you invited back over and over into the decisions before the damage happens.
It's time to begin the CISO Series podcast.
Welcome to the CISO Series podcast. I am David Spark. I am the producer and host of the CISO Series and my co-host for today's episode. One of your favorites, whether you like it or not. By the way, I think I just read a comment on Spotify that like said something like David wants to disagree with Andy on everything. Or maybe it was like David. I think David is constantly annoyed by Andy. Or something to that level. I think that's what it was. Pretty much. And it cracked me up. It was pretty funny. Anyways, it's Andy Ellis, principal of Dooha. Andy, say hello to the audience.
Good afternoon, folks, or depending on when you are in the world, good morning, good evening, or good night.
We are also available at CISOseries.com, where you can check out lots of past episodes, also in your podcast queue, wherever you're listening to us. or check out any of our other programs. We have a total of five programs on the CISO Series Network. Our sponsor for today's episode is Adaptive Security. Protect against deepfakes and AI-powered attacks. That is Adaptive. They are a phenomenal sponsor of the CISO Series. We will be talking about just that a little bit later in the show. But first, Andy, I usually begin with our little banter, but you have something that you have not told me anything about. What is it?
I have not. And I loved your open about how much you like to disagree with me or get annoyed by me because it plays into this one.
By the way, it was a listener's comment.
It was a listener's comment. But I think we enjoy that play. Yeah, yes. And long-time listeners know how I feel about the Dunning-Kruger effect and how often it gets cited. And I think it doesn't say what people think it says.
Explain what the Dunning-Kruger effect is.
Well, the problem is what people think the Dunning-Kruger effect is that people who aren't very good at something think they're really good at it, and people who are very good think they're bad at it. That's not what the Dunning-Kruger effect actually says. We should just call it the Lake Wobegon effect, which is undergraduate students think that they are all above average. That's basically all that's in there. But I went reading the original Dunning-Kruger studies because I want to sort of take it apart and help explain why people come to this wrong conclusion. And what people may not know is the very first study they did was actually about humor. So they took their undergraduate students and they gave them a test.
It was like, here's a bunch of humorous jokes, some from Woody Allen, some from a kid's puns book. And they said, do you think this is not at all funny or very funny? So one to five scale. And they saw how well you mapped against the experts. And they had invited 30 comedians to also rate these jokes. I didn't know about any of this. Of which only eight comedians actually replied, which first of all tells you a thing. Be very careful if you can't get people to participate. One of the comedians was so far off from the other seven that they actually threw them out of the data set. So it's how would you agree with these seven comedians? Here's what I find really funny about you not knowing anything about it.
Do you know who those comedians include? Who? David Spark. I'm in that list. You're in that list.
Sometime 30-ish years ago. I think I do. I do know about this. I know. So I don't know where this is. Somebody had. I was one of the seven, not the eighth.
Well, no, you're one of the eight because they list the eight. So I'm going to tell the story that you were the eighth who got kicked out.
Oh, no, wait, wait. Am I the one who got kicked? No, somebody. I don't know. They don't say. So, yes, I don't remember what this is. This is decades ago. And I mean, decades ago.
Decades ago. I want to say it was like 25, 30 years ago.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What personal anecdote kicks off the episode and who are the hosts and guest?
0:00–5:54
2
How do the hosts explain the real meaning and origin of the Dunning‑Kruger study?
5:54–29:50
3
How might AI multiply tasks and create new cognitive load for security teams?
29:50–34:50
4
How should managers treat AI like fractional team members to avoid burnout?
34:50–47:32
Speakers
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