Air Traffic Control Is Running on Windows 95 | Dan Rickert | Ep. 469

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Why does the host start the episode feeling hungover and talking about a birthday?

Andy Stumpf 0:00
He's hungover today. My son's birthday was, 21st birthday was last night, so he was out getting shit-faced till 2 a.m.
Dan Rickert 0:23
And you're okay?
Andy Stumpf 0:25
I went to bed because I'm old. Yeah, we sent the next generation off into the wilderness and they came back. They were going to come back at midnight, right? Uh, that was the original Uber. That was the original plan. And we heard them come in at about 2 AM. Michael slept on our couch with Tyler. We all dressed up in suits for dinner. We did that. I found Tyler. Real suits or like Canadian? Real suits. No, we went to the thrift store and got full suits. Leisure
Dan Rickert 0:49
suits.
Andy Stumpf 0:49
Yeah. I had a, I think my suit was $27. That was with footwear included. And, uh, Tyler was passed out with his jacket on tie still on and just a blanket over his face on the couch. So,
Dan Rickert 1:03
I mean, that sounds like a success.
Andy Stumpf 1:06
Lessons can only be learned one
Dan Rickert 1:07
way. My 21st birthday was at West Point and it was like me and my roommate went to a tailgate and I had like two beers and then we went back to the barracks.
Andy Stumpf 1:15
Yeah, because you were at West Point. I
Dan Rickert 1:16
was like, this is cool.
Andy Stumpf 1:17
Yeah. Keep that sucker about a fist away from me. Just move it around with you. Where do you want to begin? What you do now is, as we were discussing on the way over here, I was going to say it's simple, but not easy, but it's not simple. The problem that you are going to be tackling and upgrading is anything but simple, actually. I think it's incredibly complex, maybe defined by its complexity. Sure. But we'll get to that. Military for a bit, defense contractor in the defense space for a while. Obviously, just a warmonger, right? Just suckling off the war teat of the U.S. Yes, yes, yes. That's what most people think. There's such a misunderstanding. Let's start there. Where do you think people get that wrong?
Andy Stumpf 2:00
Let's be fair though, there is a massive ecosystem Around the war machine of the United States of America. For sure. For sure. And I think there always has been for
Dan Rickert 2:10
clarity. Yep. I think the threats to our country are very real on a variety of fronts. I mean, you and I are GWAT babies, right? So we grew up in that world. And I think the reality is when the GWAT ended. Yeah. Didn't end. I was going
Andy Stumpf 2:27
to say, I have yet to get that memo. Maybe they have the wrong email address.
Dan Rickert 2:32
but it's like, okay, we, we pulled out of Iraq, we pulled out of Afghanistan. Um, the reality is I think the threats are still there on the sort of asymmetrical side, but now they're also there on the nation state side more than ever. Right. So I think the threats are very real. I understand. I think skepticism is healthy for what it's worth. Um, you know, I was talking to a guy last night at the, uh, at the Irish pub out here and he's like, you know, I just don't believe anyone who tells me anything with like total conviction, right? Whether it's a politician or, and I was like, that's an interesting, that's an interesting take. That's a stance. Right? I was like, okay. I get it though. And the point he was trying to make was like, how do we hold multiple sort of truths out there?
Dan Rickert 3:18
Right? I think
Andy Stumpf 3:18
in our
Dan Rickert 3:18
world right now, everything's so divisive. There's like one side right, one side wrong all the time.
Andy Stumpf 3:24
Well, people also argue over what truth means. Yeah, fair enough. Which is gnarly. Yeah. Because I don't know what the world looks like if we can't agree upon a truth. Yeah. Or what the word truth actually means. Yeah. What do you think the biggest threat is right now to the US?
Dan Rickert 3:41
I think the biggest threat is our... I mean, look, we have the edge in a lot of ways. I think it's ours to lose. That's what scares me the most, whether that's with a nation state or whether that's with terrorist organizations. I worry about us losing sight of what's important as a country and devolving into tribalism, you know, which it seems like we are every day. But I also like, look, I don't want to make too much of a pessimistic view of that because I also have a lot of hope. And I mean, yeah. You and I live in the mountain West. I think this is like intrinsic to living out here. Like I haven't talked to you last night, completely different side of the aisle.

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