In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, Barnaby interviews Wangũi wa Kamonji, dancer, facilitator, and bearer of Indigenous African lifeways based in East Africa. Wangũi talks about the dual forces of change driven by the pain of the past and the desire for something new. She discusses her work aimed at healing and creativity, focusing on the intersection of playfulness, creativity, and Indigenous East African wisdom. Barnaby and Wangũi delve into the importance of alternative learning spaces, the communal affirmation of personal experiences, and the sacred role of trickster spirits in various cultures. They also touch upon the concept of clowning as a tool for social change and personal transformation. WANGUI'S LINKS Embodied Pathways to the Pluriverse (Blog post by Wangui) https://processworkonline.com/2025-wangui-nervous-system-class/ (Workshop coming up) >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS

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