Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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When you should be dead. Well, the 70s, 80s, 90s, I suppose. All those decades.
Yeah. Oh. Club Random. Do you know a guy? I hear you know. I wouldn't start now. Oh, I wouldn't. Billy. Hi. Rock royalty in the house. Rock and roll royalty. You look the same. Just about. You look like an East London badass. You look like you're ready to kick some ass. You do. And I'm sure you could. Yeah? These boots. You and your droogies. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, of course. That movie?
That must have affected you. Yeah, Glock Orange, yeah. Because it was like something you could relate to, no? Yeah, it was kind of fantastic. Yeah. What year was that? 69, I think. No, I think early 70s. Oh. I think more like 72. Oh, yeah. I mean, are you a fan of all Kubrick's movies? A lot of them, yes, yeah. I wish he'd done that Napoleon movie.
I've got the script. He was supposed to? Yeah. He was going to do that, I think, after 2001, and then... They did this film, Waterloo, and it did terrible business. It was great, though. Rod Steiger as Napoleon and Christopher. It's a great movie, but it did terrible business. That was a TV movie.
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Chapter 2: What are Billy Idol's most shocking stories from his rock and roll days?
It was what they used to call a miniseries. Oh, was it? Yeah. I forget who the... Sergei Bondarchuk was the director. Oh, I don't know that, but the other star was not Maximilien Schell, some... I forget, he was kind of a big actor at the time, I think British. And he had a, it went over time, you know, like the movie went over and they had, they didn't have him.
And they had to shoot like parts of it. You could see it if you watch it, like long shots. It's just his voice. He's not on camera. Just, you know, you shoot a long shot, him in the shadows, you know, but it's amazing. They could actually, not the whole movie, but enough of it where... the guy isn't even in the scene. Actors have done it when they hate the other actor they're working with.
You know, like, I can't stand to be in the same room with this guy.
So just act without anybody. Like Brando and Rod Steiger in the back of the cab where Brando left before Rod Steiger did his. Is that right? Yeah. He went to a psychiatrist or something. So Rod Steiger had to act his bits without Brando being there. On the waterfront. Yeah. Charlie was you, Charlie.
But you see them together in a two-shot, don't you?
Yeah, but, you know, when he did his lines, Rod Siger did his lines, Brando wasn't there.
Oh, I see. This was close-up. Yeah, this is close-up. Talking to a piece of cardboard. Well, Brando famously used to, you know, write the lines, his lines, on the other actor's head. Yeah.
I mean, can you imagine? I should do that with Steve Stevens if I don't know the lyrics. Steve, can I just put them on your forehead?
I never understand how you... I've got a teleprompter. You know, you have to. But, like, you didn't always. No. No, only recently. But, I mean, I never understood how you musicians could remember so many... I mean, if you're doing a show that has 25 songs in it, how do you remember all those lyrics?
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Chapter 3: How did Billy Idol's motorcycle accident change his life?
His son was, you know, directing the orchestra. That's what I saw. The son was the director of the orchestra and Frank would humiliate him.
At one point he was getting sweaty and he went to take his own handkerchief out of his pocket and then thought better of it, took his son's and mopped his brow and put it back. He was always doing... He was like... Stuff like that all the way through. It was fantastic. It was really funny. It was great.
Okay, I saw him in 1995 at Radio City Music Hall. I took my mother. My parents were from New Jersey and saw Frank Sontra perform when he was starting out. Wow. Yeah, like in a little, late 30s, like 1939, in a place called the Rustic Cabin is the first place he sang at. So it was very sentimental for my mother, and my father had just died.
So it was just like, you know, there was a lot of emotion in that room. And Frank took it all away. No, I'm kidding. I mean, well, I mean, he just was such a dick. He was a dick to his son. He was drunk. He had seven large print teleproperties all around him. I mean, you couldn't miss it. I mean, I could have sang those songs.
And yet, when he was singing a song that he hadn't sung for 50 fucking years, he still couldn't get through it. He tried to do Mack the Knife. You know Mack the Knife? OK, which is Bobby Darin's song. Yeah, a ton of lyrics. And he had done it on one of his later albums. I have it. I liked it. Like, I'm a huge Frank Sinatra fan, you know, for the music.
Not the early music, but not the early crooner shit, but like, when he, 50s, it's gotta be Swing, that whole, you know, fly me to the moon. That record is great. Because Frank was either like super depressed, he was polar, maybe not officially, but like, he was either super depressed, caught at a three. Yeah, true, yeah. Now in the play. Play Save a Gardener Left Me.
I'm going to kill myself right now because without love, who gives a shit? And what are you looking at, you fucking punk?
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Chapter 4: What does 'California sober' mean for Billy Idol?
Or fly me to the moon. Everything's groovy up here in space. Everything's cool in 1958 if you're white. You know, there was no middle ground, but it's all great. But he did, I mean, I just could not forget how he was mean to his kid. So all the artistry, you know, and look, I forgive him for, he couldn't get through Mack the Knife. It wasn't his song. He like started it three times, you know.
Oh, the shark bites. And then he would blame the kid for it. This fucking kid, he must, it's not, it's the kid, Frank. You know, you're drunk and 80. So, you know, you musicians, you just live, in a completely different universe than normal people. You do, even among show business. There's an excitement that music gets to in people.
That just is, nothing else is quite like it in the arts and its effect on people, which allows the musicians themselves to live in a bubble, very often an information bubble. They very often don't know what's going on and don't need to. They have all sorts of people. I mean, you must have lived a life that is, I mean, you obviously survived it, but you know. You know, come on.
When you were King Shit on the charts, I mean, you must have, you know, had that certainly thrown at you.
Yeah, it was pretty wild. I mean, I was sort of watching Youngblood. You know, it reminds me of me. He was here. Yeah, I know. Loved him. When he was breaking through, I remember what that was like. Yes. You know, it was pretty incredible.
You could have been named Youngblood. He could have been Billy Idol. Yeah, yeah. No, really. Yeah. Have you talked to him?
It was really incredible. It was an incredible time. So watching him a little bit, I remember. Do you know him? Have you talked to him? I sang with him. I did White Wedding with him on his Youngblood. He's got that festival he puts on, the Youngblood Festival, Bloodfest. So I sang with him. We did White Wedding together. Eight minutes, right? The song? My version is.
Yeah, the dance version, the long version. And it's still too short.
Great. It's such a great record. Great. Oh, so many of yours are. I always wanted to ask you, you did Moany Moany, which was like even a little before my time. Like I started listening to music in 1968. I was 12. I think Moany Moany was 66 or something.
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