What if we gave as much love to insects as we do elephants?In this episode, we’re joined by Dr Kate Umbers – Senior Lecturer in Zoology at Western Sydney University and Managing Director of Invertebrates Australia – for a passionate, perspective-shifting conversation about the beauty and importance of bugs.Kate shares why insects deserve a central place in conservation, the inspiring work of the Insect Conservation Lab, her career pivot from policing to zoology, and her honest reflections on motherhood, motivation, and choosing hope in conservation.From Glowworms to Christmas Beetles to the mighty Bogong Moth, this episode is packed with quirky facts, emotional truths, and practical career advice.If you’ve ever felt overlooked, underfunded, or uncertain on your conservation journey – this one’s for you.

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