Why some Iranian Americans back the war on their country of origin
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What recent events have escalated tensions in the Middle East?
It was a weekend of protests and military escalation. In the Middle East, an Iranian attack on an airbase in Saudi Arabia hit several aircraft and wounded more than a dozen U.S. troops. Yemeni Houthis, backed by Iran, entered the war. And Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Sunday that his country would widen its invasion of southern Lebanon. All of this as President Trump weighs ending the war he started or extending it by ordering newly arrived Marines and paratroopers onto Iranian shores.
Our daughter's in the Army, currently stationed in South Korea. And right now, the military boots on the ground possibility is the biggest thing in my head right now.
That's Karina Kagan speaking to member station KCUR in Kansas City on Saturday. She was one of many protesters who turned out across the country at the third No Kings demonstration against President Trump. The idea of a ground invasion of Iran is also divisive for members of the Iranian diaspora.
Ground troops is very scary. American troops could lose support from U.S. side. You could get a lot of casualties on the American front, and that can make the public here completely against the Iranians.
That's Sahand Kodakian at an anti-regime protest on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Sunday. Consider this. At the heart of the war in the Gulf is a question about the fate of the Iranian government. What do some Iranians in the United States want that government to look like, and why?
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Here in the U.S., the war with Iran has prompted many Iranian Americans to take to the streets to express their opposition to the Iranian regime. The past month has seen demonstrations in L.A., New York, and on Sunday, in D.C. Ramteen Arablui, co-host of NPR's history podcast Throughline, was at that rally.
We are here at the National Mall where there is a demonstration taking place in support of Reza Pahlavi, who many Iranian Americans support as a potential future leader of Iran if the Islamic Republic were to fall. The crowd is about a couple of thousand people, it appears. Organizers have told me they expect upwards of 100,000, but we're nowhere near that number right now out here. The crowd is chanting, this is the final battle. Pahlavi will return.
This rally did not come out of nowhere. It's tied to a longstanding debate among Iranians in the country and the diaspora over who should govern Iran. For more context, we're joined now by Ramtin in the studio. Ramtin, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me, Adrian. And can you start by telling us more about what you saw at this D.C. demonstration?
Yes. So when we arrived, there was a very large crowd of diverse set of Iranians, mostly Iranian-Americans, flying flags, holding up the picture of Reza Pahlavi. And we saw a bunch of different flags. There was the Lion and Son flag. which is the flag of Iran that was there before the Islamic Revolution in 1979. We saw people holding American flags and even Israeli flags, which I know for a lot of listeners, that's confusing, right? Like, why are they holding up the flag of a country that's attacking them? But I think it's a pretty simple explanation. For many of these protesters who we talk to, it's basically an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. And that's exactly what one of the protesters told me, named Leila Raqq.
They are bringing peace in the whole world. Israel? Israel, of course, with the help of United States, which we are very grateful because Israel, they know what we are going through.
Why are Iranian Americans protesting against the regime?
You have to have been living under this fascist regime so that you understand what is this.
Interesting. Ramteen, earlier this year, you did an episode of ThruLine on the anti-government protests that swept Iran at the end of 2025 and earlier this year. How do you see today's actions fitting into that history?
So I think a lot of what we're seeing today and what we saw at the protest comes out of that movement and the frustration many people had or anger people had at the way the Islamic Republic responded to those protests.
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