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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Something like one million Australians visited Japan last year. It's a country that many of us have fallen in love with, partly because of the way its ancient traditions live right alongside a kind of hyper-modernity. A place where you catch sight of a geisha hurrying down a city street or pass a Shinto shrine tucked between towering skyscrapers.
Hiroko Yoda was born and raised in Tokyo, and she went on to an international career as a translator, folklorist and author. Then a decade or so ago, Hiroko began a very personal exploration into the religious traditions of her homeland, which surprised no one more than her.
Chapter 2: How did Hiroko Yoda's childhood in Japan shape her views on spirituality?
Like many Japanese, Hiroko had never thought of herself as religious. But delving into Shinto, Buddhism, Shugendo and more, Hiroko discovered a rich array of practices that brought new beauty and meaning to her everyday life. Her book, Eight Million Ways to Happiness, takes outsiders deep into the spiritual traditions that infuse Japanese culture.
Hi, Hiroko. Welcome to Australia. Thank you so much.
Chapter 3: What are the unique aspects of Shintoism in everyday Japanese life?
This is my first time to visit Australia. I'm very, very excited and thank you. Thank you for having me.
Chapter 4: How did Hiroko's mother's death influence her spiritual journey?
Well, as I say, many of us have made the trek over to your part of the world. And as any visitor to Japan knows, there are thousands of shrines and temples seemingly everywhere. When you were a little girl, did you make regular visits to any of these?
Actually, the answer is no. And I know I'm not the unique one. The vast majority of people are not religious. See, this is very difficult to explain. Okay, before I go to details, Have you visited Japan before? Yes, yeah, many times. Okay, great. So I think you notice that there are so many convenience stores, right? It's just convenience stores everywhere, especially cities.
Almost like in every block you find a convenience store. A great place to get a boiled egg for lunch in my experience.
Chapter 5: What role does nature play in Japanese spirituality?
Right, right, an egg sundae. Anyway, but the thing is the number – The number of the shrines and temples is actually three times more than the number of convenience stores. And most of them are open to public. And anybody can go in as long as in a respectful manner. So to us, it's not really religion. So when I was little, certainly...
I went to the shrines and temples and especially in a New Year's Day because that was a part of our tradition with my parents. But I never thought, my parents had never thought, and I know all my friends and all the people that I know of don't see as religious activities. It's just part of the culture. It's what you do on New Year's Day. You visit the temple.
Chapter 6: What is the significance of the concept of 'eight million spiritual beings'?
Yes, that's what we do. See, the thing is that I never realized that until I went to America as an exchange student, how unique our culture was, that our Japanese society, modern society, that it peacefully coexists with spirituality. My book title is called Eight Million Ways to Happiness. And I took the word eight million. It's from the Japanese old concept.
It means eight million spiritual beings. Then eight million here doesn't mean it's exact number. It simply means Or many. Right.
So 18 million just means a lot, a lot. More than you can imagine. Yes, so infinite number of, infinite ways of happiness.
Anyway, it's an old concept.
Chapter 7: How does Shugendo differ from other Japanese spiritual traditions?
In old times, Japanese people thought that everything has a, Had a spirit. The sun, the ocean, the moon, rocks, ground, trees, even the words they spoke. And that concept... it's still pretty much active today. But it doesn't mean that the Japanese people believe that everything surrounding us had a spirit. It just... We feel... The sense of it. And it's our worldview.
Chapter 8: What does the phrase 'born Shinto, married Christian, buried Buddhist' mean?
It is the foundation of Japanese culture.
You first went to America as an exchange student. And when people asked you what religion you were, what would you answer?
Yes. When I was in high school, I spent a year as an exchange student in the United States. And before I spent a year there, that organization, it's called YFU, Youthful Understanding, they held orientation for all the students and families. And they gave us a sheet of paper. to get ready for America, and including the questions that questions Americans may ask.
And also the sheet of paper provide answers. And of course, I don't remember any of it except one. The question was, which religion do you believe in? And the answer for that was, I am a Buddhist. Was that news to you? Yes. It was just all of us got stunned. All of us got silenced because we go to Buddhist temples like New Year's Day, for example.
Or like I said before, the temples and Shinto shrines are open to public. We just go in, simply check it out or having a take a moment or whatever. But we never consider ourselves as a Buddhist. Like say we decorate Christmas trees for fun, but we never describe ourselves as Christian.
One family member raised a hand, and I remember they said, excuse me, do you think it's appropriate to answer Buddhist? An orientation organizer answered that, yes, we are aware. How awkward to say. But West America, for example, is a religious country. So they need some kind of answer.
You need to have a stamp in this passport. Whatever it says, it doesn't matter. But you have to have something.
Right. So that was the beginning of my actually the questions. It's like, about my culture. What's going on? To make the story short, it basically, I realized that I am Japanese. So if the people asked me the same question today, I would say, I'm Japanese, part of the culture. Because the word religion, it's a problematic word for Japanese people, to the vast majority of people.
Because the word, shukyo, That's a Japanese word for English religion. But the word shukyo was only coined in the 19th century. It's a new word. Japan had been closed for 100 years. And then the Commodore Perry died. fled, you know, the American Navy fleet. And he negotiated shogun to open up the border. And Japan did. And all the Western, the concept came in.
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