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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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It's 1240 a.m. on November 3rd, 2024, and St. Francis County Deputy Trey Bynum is in hot pursuit. He's on a rural road in Forest City, Arkansas, chasing someone on a four-wheeler, and they are both booking it down this windy road in the dark. From the sound of it, Bynum is right on their tail.
So when they come onto this raised dirt berm in the road, almost at once, both the four-wheeler and Bynum's truck go airborne before crashing back down to the road. Now both vehicles get turned around, but something happens to the four-wheeler and it stops suddenly. So Bynum slams on his brakes and calls out to the rider. But before he can even approach the four-wheeler, the rider is on foot.
He hops a fence and darts into the woods. It's all so fast that by the time Bynum draws his service weapon and aims for the woods, the rider is gone. Now, rather than jumping the fence and following him into the woods in the dark, Bynum decides to run back to his truck and call in the stop over his radio.
Hey, right now, I got the four-wheeler.
There was another deputy following close behind, Sergeant David Kinney. So it only takes a minute for him to pull up.
I'm good, but we went up the ditch. I said, I'm good, but we went up that ditch right there, both of us, me and him both. I need the trailer because I'm throwing that one. There's going to be a white male on a Kim Flies hoodie and blue jeans looking like he went off that way. Did he roll it or something? He turned it and jumped off and took off running across the field.
So Sergeant Kinney goes to get the trailer so that they can tow the four-wheeler while more backup begins arriving and several deputies begin to assist in this manhunt. But they're having no luck, not after 4.20 a.m. when Kinney comes back and calls the fire department and the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission to come and set up thermal night vision drones to assist.
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Chapter 2: What happened during the initial pursuit of Tripp Brazeale?
Just one. But even with this physical trail, for some reason, the canines aren't able to track his path. By the time daylight breaks, authorities are no closer to finding their man. So they decide to call in even more reinforcements.
By that afternoon, there's not only the sheriff's deputies searching, but also state police troopers, the state emergency response team, two local fire departments, Forest City police officers, and volunteers. They create a search grid and form eight teams to deploy in different areas. And they do end up finding a second boot, a wallet, a phone charger, and hoodie.
But their man is still in the wind. And almost 19 hours after they first began their pursuit, at 7.18 p.m., the manhunt is called off due to the dark, and it is set to resume the next morning. So they pick up again in the morning, but it's not until late afternoon, around 2.12 p.m., as their search radius widens, that one of the groups finds several footprints in a creek.
A search of the creek bed comes up empty, but one game and fish warden notices a trail of broken twigs from the creek leading up to the base of a steep ridge. She follows it one step at a time. And when she looks up, she sees who they were all after. And he is hanging from a tree at the top of the ridge with a green ratchet strap around his neck.
Now, his death is ultimately ruled a suicide by ligature hanging. The assumption being that this rider took his life, maybe so he didn't have to face the consequences. But Arkansas State Police still conducts a death investigation anyway. And as part of it,
On November 12th, over a week after the chase that set off this tragic chain of events, ASP Senior Special Agent Andre Mack interviews both Deputy Bynum and Sergeant Kinney. Both interviews are recorded, and both men tell pretty much the same story. So I'm just going to play you part of Bynum's interview, edited for clarity.
So you know the reason why I'm here to interview you and everything? The only reason, we're trying to... figure out what happened prior, if that make any sense. So you can relax and ain't nothing to be all stressed out about. I'm not reading your rights and nothing like that. I saw the video and everything.
But just kind of describe what all took place and how you got to there and how you got, you know, all the way to the end. You just, I mean, I'm going to let you talk.
I'm not 100% on the actual times that we got the call before that. That's fine. But we got a call to... SFC 308, I think the address was a 711 SFC 308, to be exact, for a ping that was due to two missing juveniles out of Cross County, Arkansas. A little boy and a little girl, 11 and 12 years old.
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Chapter 3: What evidence was found during the manhunt for Tripp?
I guess I'm just a f*** up. And I couldn't change that. I wish I could have. I'm sorry none of this is y'all's fault. Only mine. I love y'all. I'm sorry. I should have stopped, but I'm a dumbass. I love y'all so much. My phone is about to die, so I got to go. I hope this makes it to y'all. I never wanted to end this way, but I guess it has to. I love y'all. I'm so sorry.
Now this text immediately sounded alarm bells for Jennifer, but not because of the content. It was because of the wording itself. Jennifer said that the text did not sound like Tripp at all. Like he would never say those things. He never talked that way. He definitely never texted in long paragraphs like that. Like this was all one big message.
But the thought of her son taking his own life wasn't even one that crossed her mind. So she just replied, I'm on my way. The text that she got back was more of the same. It said, End quote. Eight minutes later, Gil and Jennifer pulled up to the woods and began walking to the exact spot where Tripp's phone last showed his location.
It wasn't actively tracking him anymore, but they knew where he was just moments ago. Except when they got there, there was no Tripp. And even weirder, they didn't see anyone else around. No deputies, no patrol cars, no lights, nothing. Just the dark and eerily quiet woods. They tried calling Tripp, but by then his phone was going straight to voicemail.
So not knowing what else to do, they started looking for their son themselves with flashlights and an app that Gil used to make a search grid. And they just began walking back and forth in the woods yelling Tripp's name. And while doing this, they don't see a soul. Again, not Tripp, but maybe more concerningly, not a single deputy. Yeah, where is everyone who was looking for him?
So per body cam timestamps and Bynum's own narrative report, It seems like he and Kinney are towing Tripp's four-wheeler to the sheriff's office at this point. And the sheriff's office is like six-ish miles away.
Okay, that's two of them. What about everyone else?
I don't know who else is supposed to be out there looking or where exactly they are. All I know is that Jennifer said when her and Gil arrived, they were searching by themselves for a long time. They said hours. In all that time, they said they never saw any deputies. And they're just confused and looking around on their own until Gil gets a call from Sergeant Kinney.
According to Bynum's report, this call is made right around 2.15 a.m., which lines up with what the Brazils remember, too.
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Chapter 4: How did Tripp's family react to the news of his death?
Yeah.
It seems like they can't say. I mean, you saw the footage for yourself. Like, could he have slowed down safely with a Dodge Ram truck right behind him going 80 miles per hour? So to try and answer some of these questions, we reached out to the St. Francis County Sheriff's Office. They declined to sit down for an interview, referring us to ASP for any questions, the Arkansas State Police.
But they did provide some helpful information, specifically their agency pursuit policy. So I'm gonna have a voice actor read it.
Policy. Vehicular pursuit of fleeing suspects presents a danger to the lives of the public, officers, and suspects involved in the pursuit. It is the policy of this department to protect all persons' lives to the extent possible when enforcing the law. In addition, it is the responsibility of the department to assist officers in the safe performance of their duties.
To effect these obligations, it shall be the policy of the department to narrowly regulate the manner in which vehicular pursuit is undertaken and performed.
Another part of their policy reads this.
The decision to initiate pursuit must be based on the pursuing officer's conclusion that the immediate danger to the public created by the pursuit is less than the immediate or potential danger to the public should the suspect remain at large.
If an officer does decide to initiate a pursuit, they have to immediately notify communications center personnel and give the following information. A, unit identification. B, location, speed, and direction of travel of the fleeing vehicle. C, description and license plate number, if known of the fleeing vehicle. D, number of occupants in the fleeing vehicle and descriptions, where possible.
And E, reasons supporting the decision to pursue. Why they were chasing him in the first place. From what we can hear, Bynum doesn't give much of this information. And definitely no reason supporting the decision to pursue.
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Chapter 5: What were the findings from the interviews with law enforcement?
Did Kinney call it in at all? Like he's the one that went out there to the writers first, right?
He was, but there's no documentation showing that he called anything in. There is only two times in the materials that we've obtained where Kinney talks about what led up to this chase. And it's not all that enlightening. One time is in his interview with SSA Mac, which is, again, over a week after the incident.
And Kenny talks about how they were all at that house investigating that tip in the other case. And as they were wrapping up there, a couple of four-wheelers went by at a high rate of speed. He doesn't chase them, but it sounds like he catches up with them down the road and everyone is stopped.
But as he was getting out of the truck to go talk to them, one of the riders takes off on the four-wheeler.
He went a couple hundred yards and stopped. looked over his shoulder. I said, where's he going? One of the kids popped up and said, we don't know, sir. Um, And I said, so he's just going to leave you all here? He said, well, that's what it looks like. Well, he come back by, and he was approaching. He was slowing down like he was going to stop.
Well, I was unaware that my two deputies that were with me, I thought they went out the other way, but one of them come up behind me, pulled up beside me, and as the kid on the four-wheeler was approaching, he took off. Then the pursuit was on.
Now, the one other time Kinney talks about what preceded the pursuit was when he was captured on Bynum's body cam. This is right when Kinney had supposedly, like, just gotten back with the trailer to tow the four-wheeler. That's the moment where Bynum reaches his hand up to cut his cam before Kinney can say anything more.
Wait, he turned off his body cam?
He did. For the second time that night.
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Chapter 6: How did the community respond to Tripp's case?
It's tied to someone with the last name Bynum. But here's the caveat. Like, we pulled a bunch of records. I can't tie any of those Bynums to Deputy Bynum. Oh. So it might just be, like, the weirdest coincidence of the century. So. We've got all of that. All of that. On to my wait what moment number two. So we don't know why the chase started.
An anonymous person calls into ID Trip as the kid that they're looking for. And we don't know why or how they know that. So Bradshaw calls Gil while Jennifer is on the phone with Trip. Parents tell Trip, turn yourself in. He says he's going to start walking toward the blue lights. Which he can see from wherever he is. Then they get the weird text from him.
But when they get out to the location where his phone last pinged, there is nothing. And no one. So they had to start searching themselves, right? Former law enforcement dad, I told you, he set up his own grid. He knows what he's doing. Now, once other first responders showed up, they began guiding the search and setting up their own grid maps. But there are three weird things about this search.
One, the location of Tripp's things that are found makes no sense to me. So the road that they're on, 409, it is a small road, forest, woods on either side, few houses. They're traveling east, think left to right. They hit the berm, the ATV stops, and it actually like turns them around. So now they're like facing west. Tripp runs into the woods just north of the road.
That's where one of his boots and his hat is found. Then the call about him being spotted at 1259, that is like west of this road. It's like behind this church area, right? Mm-hmm. But then all of Tripp's other stuff and eventually him is found south of the rope. Like he would have had to cross back over. Yeah.
Which is just odd to me when you really look at the map and also like how spread out everything is. Like I just don't understand the path that he would have taken on his own.
And like not run into other people.
Right. But that is assuming that all of the items found were left by Tripp. But what if they weren't? Where Tripp's sweatshirt and phone charger end up being found? This is the second weird thing. Gil says that he swears he had walked through that area over a dozen times that night and he never saw anything at all. Now, it was a camo hoodie.
Okay, but they're literally looking for a camo hoodie. They knew what he was wearing. Like, yeah, I feel like you'd see it because that's what you're looking for.
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Chapter 7: What were the key discrepancies in the investigation of Tripp's death?
But here's the key. Which makes sense. Now, there are a few exceptions. Deputies are not allowed to record communication with other officers without permission, undercover officers, confidential informants, or private locations like bathrooms. Now, I don't know if Bynum's actions fall under one of these exceptions.
It sounds like each deputy has to kind of decide for themselves when an event is completed. So maybe when the chase ends and the ATV is stranded, that's complete in Bynum's mind. But then that doesn't totally add up because then why turn it back on as you're getting ready to tow it?
Right, because like to me, if you know you're going to tow it, towing it would be like the end of the event then. Like you're like with it until it's done being towed.
I also want to note something weird about the policy document itself that the sheriff's office sent us. So it's this like three-page document with numbered bullets. But at the end of the first page, it skips from 3B, when and how to use the BWC, to 3D, restrictions on using the BWC. C is just missing.
When we asked the sheriff's office about this, a representative said he never noticed the typo before, and it, quote, feels safe to say it is a clerical error.
feel safe about this because that I don't doesn't make me feel safe and also like I'm thinking like making a word document it's kind of automatic it should say C literally you like hit enter and it does it for you okay sorry so do with that what you will 1251 camera goes off 140 it's back on and Bynum is wearing latex gloves And the camera cut just makes no sense. It's what you said earlier.
If you're going to turn it off at all, why are you turning it back on? Why not just... Call the event complete.
It's not like there's a new... This is the same thing. It's not like someone new comes in. You're not dealing with a new citizen or like... Why? Yes, Brooke. Why turn it back on? Why just when you're trying to get the four-wheeler onto the trailer... Well, and, like, why are you wearing gloves now? Like, now especially, maybe?
Now, like, listen, I think some people could say, well, you know, he's, like, processing the ATV now. Like, it's evidence. But the problem I have with that is, like, if you go back to before the camera turned off. Oh, you said he was, like. He's manhandling that thing with bare hands. He is raw dogging that ATV.
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