Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Guaranteed human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Day 31, Nancy Guthrie missing. I've never seen anything like it before with this amount of evidence. The guy's on video. We have his height. We have his weight. We have the date. We've got the time.
Chapter 2: What happened on Day 31 of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
We've got 50,000 tips. Nancy Guthrie still missing. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
So Sheriff, it's been 30 days since Nancy Guthrie went missing. Are investigators any closer to finding the suspect or suspects?
I think the investigators are definitely closer. We got a lot of intel, a lot of leads, but now it's time to just go to work.
This is Sheriff Nanos from our friends at the Today Show.
Day 31, Nancy Guthrie still missing. The reward now up to over $1.2 million. Straight out to Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. Dave, what's the latest?
Nancy, it has been a remarkable 24 hours. Yet we saw Savannah and her sister Annie and Annie's husband as it was such an emotional time as they went to the memorial, the makeshift memorial at Nancy Guthrie's home.
it's right on the edge of the property uh set up by neighbors and just people who want to show the guthrie family that you know they're thinking of them but annie and tomaso joined savannah as they walked arm and arm to this makeshift memorial and left a note for their mother and i'm i'm telling you it was just so powerful also
you know, from the madness, we've had a lot of streaming people, you know, people who are journalists or claim to be journalists. But there was a shocking moment that has taken place out in front of Nancy Guthrie's home. And it kind of goes back to why the the sheriff's department has moved everyone away from the neighborhood.
You know, the media, legitimate media, streamers, everybody have been backed up. And there's also coming out right now, We had two people detained early on in the investigation. It ended up, if you remember, a Range Rover was taped off in a Culver's parking lot and law enforcement searched this thing.
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Chapter 3: Are investigators any closer to finding Nancy Guthrie?
So, we've got that information now coming out and then that Luke and his mother both speaking out publicly. I would like to add something and the search warrants that were served at two different locations for the Guthrie, as part of the Guthrie investigation, Mary Daly, Luke Daly's mother, she's 77 years old.
And while they were serving a search warrant on her home, she was detained in the back of a police squad car for seven hours. in a car while they served that search warrant.
And I guess it's just one of those little sidebar things you don't think about, you know, of what happens when they serve a search warrant to the people who live there, especially if the people involved had nothing to do with the crime. So those are the latest things that are really making noise today. Also, there has been an interesting take on senior citizen communities.
such as where Nancy Guthrie lives. And they seem to be very safe. You would think that if your mom and dad live in an area like this in their retirement, their golden years, that they would be safe. It's not necessarily the case. In neighborhoods like Nancy Guthrie's, you're not living right next door to a neighbor. There's a good amount of distance between you.
And oftentimes in these neighborhoods, People don't know one another. So if you don't know your neighbor because you don't see them regularly or you just don't know them, you know, then you don't know their patterns. You don't know when something might seem off. And that's something to think about.
And some experts have chimed in on that in the last 48 hours talking about these retirement type communities and how they're not as safe, even gated communities. not nearly as safe as we would like to believe they are. So that was fascinating. It's one of the things we have found out in Nancy Guthrie's case.
There are a number of other things involved in this investigation that are continuing to move forward. And, you know, we're just going to have to wait our turn, I guess. But to go back to Savannah Guthrie yesterday, you know, we talked a minute ago about the notes left behind. There was a note left at the memorial, the makeshift memorial.
Cameron Guthrie, by the way, Savannah's older brother, he was not present. I don't know if he's still in the Tucson area or if he's gone back home, but they left a note at the memorial speaking directly to Nancy Guthrie
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Chapter 4: What emotional moments did the Guthrie siblings share at the memorial?
It says, mama, we miss you so much. Our hearts are broken. We are standing on ash, on scorched earth. But mom, though we are surrounded by so much darkness and uncertainty, our love burns bright. We love you, mommy. We miss you so much, our best friend. Then later in the day,
After the public got notice of the memorial or the makeshift memorial, Savannah Guthrie posted on Instagram a private message. By the way, this was the first time, other than in video form, that Savannah Guthrie has been seen out in public. Since all of this started on February 1st, we have seen the family on video. This was the first time actually seen out in public.
Later in the day, Savannah Guthrie released this on Instagram. We feel the love and prayers from our neighbors, from the Tucson community, and from around the country. Please don't stop praying and hoping with us. Bring her home. So that kind of gets you updated on what's taking place right now in the Guthrie investigation in Tucson. So now the biggest question is, where do we go from here?
What's the next step in the investigation?
Chris McDonough joining us, former homicide detective with over 300 homicides under his belt, now director at Cold Case Foundation, and star of The Interview Room on YouTube. Chris McDonough, if you were handling this case... What would you be doing right now?
So, Nancy, I think here's what's going to happen. Right now, the investigation has compressed. That's what we would call it. Meaning, you know, the task force where there was a command center for both the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Office, you know, had assembled together in one working group has now split into two.
There have been investigators assigned from the Pima County Sheriff's Office who my best estimate is going to be the same homicide team that was called out from the very beginning. They are now pulled back into their own agency where they'll be working alongside probably one FBI agent.
And then the FBI has pulled back into the Phoenix headquarters where they're going to establish their own little, you know, war room is what we'll call it. And from there, both of those agencies will work simultaneously. Both of those agencies will work together, but they will be working in tandem on any type of investigative leads that come in. So I think at this point, what I believe...
is going to be pivotal in relationship to solving this investigation. First of all, it's gonna have to go back to re-interviewing all the other folks that you started to interview from the very beginning. Because the reason for that is, the investigation may have uncovered additional information like digital footprints, DNA, and all of that stuff that's starting to come back.
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Chapter 5: What new evidence has emerged in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
You got a DoorDash driver. You got a guy driving a Range Rover who says, hey, yeah, I drive through that area, etc. And so those search warrants were established pretty quickly. And then, of course, you have the Bitcoin problem. That was out there. They hit the guy in Los Angeles pretty fast. And so what they're doing is they're just checking off the boxes.
And then once those boxes are all checked, they're going to see what's left. And that's where, you know, good old gumshoe police work where you just go, you know, knocking on doors and you start re-interviewing people over again. And that's where you get the anomalies in an investigation typically.
Chris, what vehicles have been returned to their proper owners at this point?
At this point, Dave, what you have is the Range Rover has been returned. So there were three cars, in my understanding, that were actually impounded. The Range Rover, the victim's car, Nancy's, and the daughter's car, believe it or not, Annie's car. or Annie's family car. Nancy's car is still being hold for obvious reasons. You know, the fact that she's, you know, the missing victim here.
However, the authorities at Pima County Sheriff's Department have not released Annie's car. They're not also telling us why that is the case. And so that's somewhat of a mystery right now, why they would hold that car for almost a month.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Irv Brandt joining us, former Senior Inspector, U.S. Marshal Service, International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector with the DOJ. International Affairs, country attache, has been all over the world working in embassies, and author of a series on Amazon of Jack Solo, the most recent, Going Solo, The Gospel of Luke. Irv, thank you for being with us.
We can't get away from the possibility Nancy Guthrie was taken to Mexico. How do you go about extricating someone from Mexico?
Well, it is. It will be a lot different than what you would conduct here in the United States. And you would partner up. You would have a liaison with your Mexican counterparts. But the...
Agencies like the FBI and the United States Marshal Service and things like that, when we send people to these countries, these are people who are very proficient in Spanish and they're very familiar with the culture, you know. A lot of them have families on both sides of the borders. They know how to work an operation, and they know how to conduct an investigation in Mexico.
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Chapter 6: How has the community responded to Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
Mary, did that note that you observed with K-O-L-D, did it offer proof of life other than the details about the inside of her room?
It did not, Nancy. We actually received two notes. The first one I would call a ransom note. The second, I wouldn't. There were no demands there, but there was no proof of life in either of those notes that we received.
The first one was a ransom. The second one, they did not ask for a ransom. What did they want?
It was more of a declaration. And unfortunately, I still can't talk too much about the contents of these notes because once again, we still don't know the legitimacy of them and law enforcement is still looking into that. But there were no requests in this note. It was more of a declaration.
And I think the tone of the videos that the family released after kind of indicated what may have been in that note and how they were feeling about if these were legitimate.
Exactly, Mary, I understand, because the desperation exhibited in each progressive video from Savannah and her siblings tells me that they got more and more concerned, likely because of these notes. So you're not telling me this, but I am interpreting that the second note, while it did not demand a ransom or an increase in ransom, it emphasized the seriousness of the first note.
And of course, you guys immediately handed that over. Guys, again, Mary Coleman joining us from KOLD. We've heard a lot about the missive sent to TMZ. There was also a missive sent to KGUN, two sent to KOLD. And the nature of the notes and the recipients is, Indicated to me on day one that this was someone in the Tucson area that maybe grew up hearing or watching KOLD, was very familiar with it.
That said, when you read the notes, Mary Coleman, and I'm not asking you to divulge their contents. I know you won't do that. Did you believe they were real? And were you afraid for Mrs. Guthrie?
Sure. Yeah. I mean, the first one, it took us a second once we started reading a little bit further. And that's when we felt like these were legitimate claims being made. And so by the time the second one came in, we were all very alarmed by it. And I... will say that, yes, absolutely. Our stomachs dropped and our guts were not feeling great.
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Chapter 7: What challenges do investigators face in this case?
And they waited for, was it 72 hours or more before the first ransom note. I find it hard to believe, Brian, you have to analyze this like it's a Rubik's Cube until you put it all together, constantly changing your theory. I wonder if they hadn't decided yet to whom they would send the ransom because they originally sent it right to three places, TMZ, KOLD, and I believe KGUN, right?
Did they not have it together because they had certainly been at her home before they had taken time to stake it out, but what they didn't have their ransom idea together. What do you make of the delay? And they never to our knowledge have sent visual proof of life like a video or a picture of Nancy Guthrie.
They did, however, according to Mary Coleman, K O L D give details from the inside of her room. Now some of the details were already out there, like her smartwatch, like the floodlight. But I'm inferring that there were more details in that ransom note that other people couldn't glean by just hopping on the Internet.
Absolutely. And these ransom notes that were sent to the media outlets don't meet any of the traditional hallmarks of a kidnap and ransom case. That's something that's been highlighted very early on. Right. Reaching out to the media versus directly to the family, not having a clear and distinct path. for payment and terms, not providing proof of life.
These are things that a typical kidnap and ransom case, the ransomer will want to be in direct contact with the family to make this deal as quickly as possible. And that didn't happen here. So it really lends credence to the idea that these were opportunists and not authentic.
What do we know about an accomplice? What is the theory behind that? Not only that, the drumbeat louder that somehow a Mexican cartel is involved. I find that very difficult to believe. Nothing about Nancy Guthrie's kidnapping has any hallmark of a cartel operation. This as Google is working fast and furious to recover even more video, possibly audio, but
biological matter and DNA found in the home? This as Sheriff Nanos blurts out more strategic information, that being that he thinks there's an accomplice and that he believes Nancy Guthrie is being held close to home. Newsflash, accomplice, we know about you and the sheriff's looking for you. Way to go, Nanos. You're like a gumball machine. I said it last night. It's up here. It just comes out.
You can't stop it. Not only that, revealing his belief that Nancy Guthrie is close to home. Is that why we see raids on neighbors? All this is happening now and more straight out to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter. And as we mentioned before, Dave Mack, the Guthrie family feeling the onus upon them to try and get searches started in Mexico.
I mean, it just never ends with all they're going through. You know, Dave, let me just be blunt. You and I have talked many, many, many times off camera. You were a guest, one of my favorite guests all the way back at HLN. I don't know if you recall that or not. Oh, yeah, I remember. I don't know how. Yeah, good times.
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Chapter 8: How are ransom notes impacting the investigation?
So how does that fit into the accomplice theory?
Yeah, that he's passing off that equipment after he's done with it, either storing it in a car because now it's pitch black out in front of the house. You're not just going to leave the backpack in the pitch black on the ground.
You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, that's really astute. Let me keep looking at this while Brian talks because I want everyone to see what he's talking about. You're right. When he walks up, there is the shadow. You can see that that bright nightlight is on. And it's not just his bite light. It's lit up behind him, behind the bite light as well.
Okay, then as you look later without the backpack, everything's dark. I don't believe he climbed up and got and dismantled that nightlight on his own. That's a really good point. Joining me, Dr. Michelle Joy, forensic clinical academic psychiatrist, author of The Schmuck in My Office. You can find her at West Philly Morbid Art. Dr. Michelle, thank you for being with us.
What do you make of the psychological evaluation of whether he had an accomplice? Did he do this all on his own?
I think... There's a lot to be garnered from the video, as the other people interviewed so far have said. But I think that what makes the most sense to me is his lack of facile illness with everything. Right. I know that's exactly that gun there. Previously, some former FBI agents had spoken about just his lack of expertise with carrying a firearm.
It's kind of holstered in front of him and waving around and things like this. So I think that his lack of sophistication makes me agree with the previous person that was interviewed was that there's someone else directing most likely this because the
if being this bumbling, as we've used the word so far, just at the intro to the scene, you wouldn't think that he would have coordinated, you know, anything successful enough to not only have this person, and when I say successfully, obviously tragically successfully, to, you know, be able to extract her and to have her, you know, disappear for this long.
It just seems like something would have gone wrong from his perspective, you know, being a lone actor.
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