Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing. One of her neighbors joins us to tell us his recollection of what went down that night and of his recollection of Mrs. Guthrie herself. Also tonight, mysterious ridges. in the front of Nancy Guthrie's yard. What, if anything, do they mean and were they preserved? This is a careful look at the porch guy video.
Does it reveal headlights over his shoulder? And tonight, was a lockpick or a lockpick gun used to penetrate Nancy Guthrie's home? And can we analyze that
Chapter 2: What happened the night Nancy Guthrie went missing?
and use it as evidence. Good evening. I'm Auntie Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Chapter 3: What unusual activity did the neighbor witness that night?
I want to thank you for being with us. The feds are now trying to question work crews on a construction site.
People just don't go in there and randomly dump stuff. They do have the thing broken up into grids. You have equipment that runs over the stuff to kind of pack it down, and that creates an absolute nightmare for investigators when they go out there to begin to search.
I'm very anxious to get to the ridges that we're seeing in front of Nancy Guthrie's home. Can I just see that very quickly, please, control room? As well as what's revealed by a careful look at the porch guy, lights, possibly headlights over his shoulder. But first, I want to go to a special guest joining us, a neighbor of Nancy Guthrie's. It's Jeff Lemieux.
who woke up that night in the early morning hours, and he very often passes Mrs. Guthrie on their neighborhood strolls. Mr. Lemme, thank you for being with us.
For sure, for sure. Glad to be here.
You know what? I'm so glad you said that, because in my world of investigating and prosecuting nothing but violent felonies for so many years, you wouldn't believe it, Mr. LeMay, of how many people, quote, don't want to get involved. They don't come forward. They don't say anything. And they feel okay with that. I will never understand it.
First, I'm sure the FBI has quizzed you extensively, but I just want to hear at the beginning of your encounters with Mrs. Guthrie when you would both be out strolling the neighborhood.
We would see her when we were walking our dogs. She had a dog at one time also. And greet her. She was just a person who lived here, a pleasant, wonderful neighbor. And we're so saddened, of course. Saddened isn't even the word. Heartbroken about what's happened.
I guess you're also fed up with the ghouls showing up in your neighborhood in hot pants and stripper shoes to take photos in front of Mrs. Guthrie's home. It's sick. But before I go off on a tangent that gets me nowhere and proves nothing, that night, Jeff Lemme, that night, what happened?
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Chapter 4: What evidence was found at Nancy Guthrie's home?
And initially we were wondering what was going on, and then we found out it was our neighbor, which obviously is horrible.
You stated that you live four homes down from Mrs. Guthrie. Is that correct?
Yes.
Okay. Now, your dogs often, as does mine, want to go out in the middle of the night to use the bathroom. That night, did your dog go out?
Yeah, that was where actually I sort of, one of our dogs I have to rouse in the morning is a deep sleeper. There were some nights in question where the investigators have asked us about certain evenings and if we've seen anything unusual. And once again, it could be coincidence, it could be nothing. I'm not an investigator, I'm a lay person. But the dogs did rouse and I took them out.
There is a image of me on camera. I did heard nothing or saw nothing. But, you know, animals can be, especially dogs, can be hypersensitive. And we don't know if there's a correlation. We've shared it. And whether it helps with timeline or in any way, we hope it is of some value.
What time was that, Jeff Lemay?
Gosh, it was, I'm working from memory. It may have been a little bit past 1 a.m.
You know, Jeff Lemieux, you really hit the nail on the head because after everything calms down at night and everything settles and the kitchen is clean and we'll be sitting there, you know, watching something on TV maybe, and our dog... fat boy will go insane. And then we find out like two minutes later, a delivery was made at the front porch or somebody then opens the back door.
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Chapter 5: How do the ridges in front of Nancy's home relate to the investigation?
There's heavy, dense brush here, cactus, palo verdes, et cetera. So part of the challenge has been You can see beautiful views of our courtyard, front door, garage, et cetera, but not much beyond that.
Let me understand something, Jeff. And of course, I would have this all nailed down if I were putting you on the stand. And forgive me if I keep asking the same question over and over. But on January 11, you see nothing out in the yard, as you've just explained, where your cameras are trained.
But having reviewed January 11th video at the request of the FBI, you realize that on January 11 and January 31, both nights, your dogs uncharacteristically wanted to go outside.
Yes.
And that was very atypical?
Yes.
When they went outside, you said they went to the back or the front?
It's the rear of our home, where we have a courtyard that abuts our bedroom.
Okay. Got it. Rear of home. Is there a cut, a shortcut? Do people walk that way to get toward Nancy Guthrie's home? Or could they? Could they?
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Chapter 6: How did the neighbor describe Nancy Guthrie as a person?
You just said that, guys, that video we were showing you earlier, the aerial video, was from our friends at 12 News. I want to go back to the photo. I want to understand where Jeff Lemme lives on this picture. But you stated that for a long time, schoolchildren would use a cut.
through the back, through the scrub, through the brush, down the service road, maybe to get to the school bus instead of going on the street. Is that correct?
My understanding, this is what neighbors have told us, is people would use a service road, cut through someone's property very slightly, and then go to a cul-de-sac that abuts the back of our yard.
And that would get you closer to Nancy's home?
Perhaps someone could take a different route to her home through that avenue.
Got it. Now, when your dogs go out at night, Jeff, do they lead you to the back or to the front or do you lead them?
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Chapter 7: What insights does the locksmith provide about the security of Nancy's home?
When my dog wakes up, he sleeps right beside me in his own little bed, by the bed. I have to take him to a certain door. I lead him to a certain door because I know I can get him in more quickly if I go out that door. And it can be any time of the day or night. So did you lead the dog to the back or did the dog lead you?
Sure. So it's a courtyard that abuts the bedroom. That's pop the door open, take the dog out. And, you know, it's right there. So it's the most natural point to be. And that's where we always take the dogs.
When your dog went out on Jan 31 and Jan 11, what did the dog do to continue barking?
No barking, but I saw on video the dog sort of looking off to the distance and sort of very focused for a moment. It was fascinating, actually. And then Moving on to, moving on. Now, once again, in my days, my fugue state, past 1 a.m., I did not take note of any of this at the time and took the dog back in and went back to bed.
Once again, we don't know what was occurring, but it's just some information to provide of some value, we hope, to the investigation.
Jeff, can you look at that overhead and tell me which home is yours as it relates to Mrs. Guthrie's?
So we would be, if you leave Nancy's house... I take a right and the immediate next right, we're on that street at the end of the street. So if you count.
So hold on, I'm trying to digest this. We see the red marker on the screen on her home. So you go forward, which in this picture would be up. You'd make an immediate right. And then your first right and go one, two, three, four houses away.
Uh, one, two, three.
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Chapter 8: What theories are being discussed regarding possible accomplices?
Yes. Yes. Perfect. Perfectly said.
Got it. It's kind of a little square with the driveway to its left. I see. I see actually what would be the cut through. See it behind your home?
Yeah. So it's alongside our home. It's a, it's a utility road for the power company.
Now that I'm talking to you, I see that. Now, Jeff, question. We keep hearing about a vacant home. Where is the vacant home as it relates to Mrs. Guthrie's home?
So that is cat a corner to our house across the street.
The one with the beige gray roof, that one kind of to the left of your home a little bit?
Yes. Okay.
Aha, that's the vacant home. Wow, that is right around the corner from Mrs. Guthrie. I've been wondering, where's the vacant home? Answer. Okay, what about construction? Where's the construction that's happening in the neighborhood?
So that actually is, if you're on Escalante and you directly stare from Nancy's home up the street, that kind of, there's a cul-de-sac, Above if on this on this camera view above her street, you'll see a white roofed house at the very, very top of that cul-de-sac. That's where construction is occurring.
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