The Numbers

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What challenges did Fannie Davis face when moving to Detroit?

Phoebe Judge 0:00
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Phoebe Judge 0:45
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Phoebe Judge 1:35
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Brigette Davis 1:49
The sound of the phone ringing is embedded in my sort of memory of life growing up. The phone was always ringing, and it wasn't just one phone. At one point, we had three lines ringing. And my mom tried to keep them separate, so to speak. One was a business line, one was a personal line, one was the children's phone line. But of course, you know, if people couldn't get through, and these are the days before call waiting, if people couldn't get through and they were anxious, some of them had access to a personal number and they'd start calling that one. So yeah, ringing phones.
Phoebe Judge 2:27
This is Brigette Davis. Her mother, Fanny Davis, was born in Nashville in 1928. Fanny's grandfather had been born into slavery there, and her father owned a successful plastering business in the early part of the 20th century.
Brigette Davis 2:43
And that enabled him to buy property. And so he was both a businessman and a property owner. And so my mom witnessed his entrepreneurial spirit and was highly, highly influenced by him. She really admired her father's life.
Phoebe Judge 3:01
Fanny grew up in Nashville and married Brigette's father when she was 18.
Brigette Davis 3:06
But like many African Americans, she decided to migrate north with her family in the mid-50s so that they could have better opportunities and more liberties. And so they chose Michigan and ultimately Detroit. And they hadn't prepared themselves for what was awaiting. One, the racism in Michigan was so virulent and distinctive from the southern sort of discrimination they'd known about that it took them off guard. They weren't prepared for that. And the way it manifested was in all the key ways. They couldn't find decent housing. They were charged exorbitant rent. My father was unable to find steady work. And so these things really plunged them into poverty. So she very early realized she'd have to step in and figure out something.
Phoebe Judge 4:05
Fannie Davis found a way to take care of her family. She started small, but built a robust and lucrative operation. A business that a lot of people knew about, but no one talked about. Which happened to be illegal. It was called The Numbers. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal.
Brigette Davis 4:32
What were the numbers? The numbers. The numbers are an underground lottery business or operation that has been in place since the early 20s. It moved across the country and it was designed by, created by a black man in Harlem and really was a black business. It thrived.

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