Round 22 - Further Discussion on Geelong's Waiver (8.08.26)
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The round twenty-two edition of crunch time. We'll come to the Lions win over the Hawks and North over the uh over the Bulldogs as we work our way through. The hot seat is for Razorback four by four, Australia's best four-wheel drive seat covers with unbeatable protection and comfort. So Andrew Dillon uh answering the the granular questions around what's transpired. Tom, we'll get some of your reporting in a moment. Just To to both of you, to Adam Simpson and to Mark Bickley, j just how you feel about what's transpired uh and all that you're hearing and all that you're taking in. How does it feel to the two of you with all your experiences in football?
Yeah, it's it it feels like it's unique but it also feels like it's happening behind closed doors, Jared.
What is the opening overview of the Geelong concussion waiver controversy?
It feels like this is not this n not the tip of the iceberg, but I just wonder how many clubs have had to deal with this situation where there's a player who's willing to take any risk possible to play and a and a club that's not willing to take that risk but You know, technically they can play, they've been whatever the amber discussion is. But then the the list management or the board whoever sits around and goes, Okay, well, we don't really want to play this guy, we don't want to take this risk, which tells me you know, is he is he a good enough player to take a risk with, which is really unfair to say. But that's the conversation. You think, well, he it's is he happy to sign a waiver and and then nine times out of ten, ninety nine times out of a hundred, you go, No.
He's not doing that. Um so I just wonder how many eyes this went past before it was actually green green lit because it had to get to the board. uh list management, uh obviously the medical. So Big S in in the top of my head I'm thinking, okay, th is this happening a lot behind closed doors and what are clubs doing about it, it's pretty clear now what's gonna happen. But in the last two or three years I suspect this conversation's probably happened once at every club.
Yeah, look I I tend to agree. The the thing that shocks me though is that there's I I feel like there's some naivety about the Geelong process because like how many times have you w this with this discussion around uh concussion have we heard from Whether it's the man in the street on talk back radio, whether it's in conversations amongst footy people where you say, Well, the player wants to play, can't he just sign a waiver? And generally, you know, in ninety-nine percent of the cases, people say exactly what Andrew Dylan just said. Well, you can't sign away the rights. You know, the AFL, um, they have to provide uh a level of safety towards their players, and it's an obligation that they have. So that's generally where
It gets hit on the head. And I'm just thinking about Stephen Hocking, who's a an experienced administrator. You've got legal counsel at at footy clubs that will, you know, that that go through most contracts with a fine-tooth cone. You've then got to get to board level where there's generally some sort of person with some legal expertise. It's just I feel like there's got to be some more complexity to this because I just can't see to your point how it could get past so many. eyes without someone saying, Well what's the point? It's not going to stand up anyway. We've got a an obligation to our players to to look after them.
The why was it necessary and it's going to be useless? I I agree that that step in the process is so Everyone wanted to feel better about it. Uh including so the an insurance broker is part of the discussions.
Yeah, an independent insurance advisor, Adriana Orychkov, is part of the discussions. Um and she has represented a number of different players. She represented uh Cade Kolodajny successfully in his insurance claim and then she was the representative or one of the re the main representative in these waiver discussions, just trying to support the player, which she's which she's done a number of times.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:02
2
What is the opening overview of the Geelong concussion waiver controversy?
1:02–4:54
3
How do the hosts describe the hidden nature of waiver negotiations behind club doors?
4:54–9:13
4
Why do the speakers argue that a player cannot legally sign away concussion safety rights?
9:13–14:45
5
Who was the independent insurance advisor involved, and what role did she play in the waiver process?
14:45–18:21
Speakers
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