Danny Jones Podcast
#393 - The Most Powerful UFO Tech has ESCAPED Trump’s Control | Dan Farah
04 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the significance of living in the age of disclosure?
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friend came through with pj and well we made it happen dude and i'm glad we did and it's nice to finally meet you thank you you too man we're in the age of disclosure huh we are we are it's uh it's a wild time to be alive you know that is uh that's why i went with that title um you know disclosure is not going to be a singular moment it's going to be this process that unfolds over many years
And when we look back 50 years from now, it'll be this little pocket of time that's the age of disclosure, the age where all this stuff comes out and the truth comes out in steps. How did this whole documentary start out for you? So it's a kind of long origin story, I would say. So, you know, I'm 46 and my childhood's the 80s and early 90s and grew up with movies like Close Encounters and E.T.
Close Encounters made the biggest impact on me. I was obsessed with that movie. X-Files was running on TV when I was a kid and movies like Fire in the Sky.
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Chapter 2: What role did private industry play in UAP technology?
We're getting a lot of attention. And I remember my cousins and I watching Fire in the Sky late at night scared the crap out of us, but also made us super curious about this topic. And so my whole life just been interested in the topic. These big questions like, are we alone in the universe? Does the US government know more about this topic than the average person.
That's kind of the common thesis and all that pop culture I grew up with, right? Close encounters, ET, X-Files. The one common idea is that, well, two common ideas are, yes, there's life from elsewhere, but elements of the U.S. government have been covering it up. So I've always wondered if that was true, you know, and watched every movie and TV show, read every book over the years. And
I always wished that someone would make a really credible, serious, non-sensational documentary about this topic. And only, and like basically set the bar at only interviewing people who have direct knowledge of it as a result of working for the government. If elements of the government do in fact know more than the public, the idea would be to find that out, right?
And no one ever made that film. My career ended up going into mainstream producing. I had a lot of, I was very fortunate over the last 20 years building movies and TV shows as a producer from the ground up, like big commercial stuff. The biggest that people know would be Ready Player One, which Spielberg directed.
Chapter 3: What are the implications of UAP sightings at nuclear facilities?
And then it was on the set of Ready Player One, watching Steven Spielberg direct, in my opinion, he's the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived. And watching him direct was just... And I started thinking then in the back of my mind, like I'd like to direct something after years of producing. I've got my wheels spinning on what that might be.
And I was actually doing research for a scripted project a couple years after Ready Player One came out. And in doing research, I was trying to learn how real the situation around this topic was.
And so I got connected to some senior intelligence officials that had worked on this topic for the US government and started having just private conversations, meals with those guys, trying to understand the lay of the land. And I quickly realized how real the situation actually is. And these ideas that were put in our heads when we were kids with movies like Close Encounters and E.T.
weren't far off from the truth. There has, in fact, been a massive cover-up of non-human intelligent life. And the government does take it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does. So in those conversations...
that originally were research for a scripted project, like I said, I started to realize that these people that I form relationships with would be great interview subjects for that documentary that I always wish existed. And then I kind of shifted my focus to no longer doing research for a scripted project. And I was like, okay, I'm
I'm going to make the definitive documentary on this topic that I always wish existed. And this will be that thing that I direct to. And so, um, sort of like the, the origin. And then, um, From there, I started socializing with these intelligence officials I had met and their colleagues that I wanted to make a film that would bring the truth out about what is known that can legally be shared.
All these people are privy to classified information, You know, there's a lot they can share. They've just been historically discouraged from doing so. And I wanted to make the doc that gave them a platform to share what they lawfully could and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on. And as I started to socialize that, it started to catch momentum.
You know, one, I would have like a, you know, private... private meal with someone who wanted to tell his official, explain what I wanted to do. They would think about it. They would come back and say, you know what? I think I'd be interested in participating, but let's see who else you can get before I say I will.
And then they'd introduce me to a couple of their friends and sort of sent me down a rabbit hole. Eventually I started getting passed up to senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the staff, the members, same thing with the Senate Armed Services Committee.
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Chapter 4: How did the documentary on UFOs begin?
They knew that there were elements of our government actively gatekeeping this information and keeping it from the public. They knew it was being kept from Congress, the white house, um, and the public. And, um, they realized, were trying to figure out a way to get the base facts out into the public.
None of those politicians, those elected leaders, wanted to be the one guy out on a limb going on Fox News or CNN saying these extraordinary things and being subject to the pushback. They didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation, right? And so... I was sort of in the right place at the right time.
And that while they were having that thought process, I was socializing that I wanted to make a documentary that would essentially do that. Right. And so something really wild happened, which is basically there was this moment in time where While I was putting together the documentary, my film essentially became the plan for disclosure for those who had the knowledge.
So this group of military, government, and intelligence officials – that had learned the truth about the coverup, decided my film would be the vehicle for disclosing that information. And I spent about three and a half years putting this together, both learning the lay of the land myself and really understanding what's real and what's not real.
And, you know, as they say, the saying, you know, who's who in the zoo, you know, like all the different players in all this. and then making it doing interviews over the course of three years.
Yeah. In the beginning, when you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right direction and telling you like, if you can get more people to speak out, you know, we'll do it too publicly. How many of them, those original intelligence people you were talking about were in the movie? A number of them, most of them. Most of them? Most of them.
Like who? So for example, Jay Stratton.
Okay. You know, Jay was- Was he one of the first people you talked to? Yeah.
Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What insights do military officials provide about UAP encounters?
versus what would be the other industry that could compete with that, you think?
If you're just looking at market cap, just ask ChatGPT if any of the major defense contractors are in the top 10 corporations, market cap wise. I don't think the answer is yes. Yeah, I'd be curious to see what they would compete with and where they would stack with that.
But so if, look, if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s, my point is, I think they would have used it to make a fortune if they were a private company. If they were the government, I think they would have used it in other ways. I don't think... that technology would there's no there's no I don't understand any upside to that technology being completely hidden since the 40s.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
You might be right. Anything, Steve? Major U.S. defense contractors are generally not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016.
While firms like Lockheed Martin, RTX, formerly Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, and Northrop Grumman are top tier defense revenue, they are smaller in market valuation compared to tech giants such as Apple, Microsoft, NVIDIA, and Alphabet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's just not realistic. Everyone I spoke to says that some of those defense contractors listed there are involved in this. They would be such bigger and more valuable companies if they had, this technology for that long. I think they are involved in reverse engineering it now. And I think they're making massive breakthroughs.
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Chapter 6: How do personal experiences shape beliefs about UFOs?
Would we have stayed in World War II? No, that's bonkers. It's crazy.
We probably hadn't figured out a way to harness it.
There were orbs flying next to fighter pilots. Energy balls that were flying alongside them. They called them Foo Fighters. Yeah. If that was ours, if we had cracked this technology that allowed us to harness energy in a localized area and create these little crafts that flew within bright bubbles of energy, wouldn't we have won it? Use it to win World War II? Right. What about the Tic Tac stuff?
There's absolutely no one who... has any credibility that would say that was man-made. Really? Yeah. A number of the people involved in, first off, Jay Stratton ran the investigation of the Tic Tac for the government. He actually wrote the actual. the actual official report on it. He's the one who actually went and investigated it and completely came to the conclusion that it was not manmade.
Like tried to assign it to some hidden program of ours and hoped that would be the case, wanted to be able to explain it. and couldn't. And that's the guy who would have had the job of knowing. So prior to investigating UAP and non-human intelligent learning for the government, he was the head of air and space warfare for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
His literal job was to know what all of our black programs, not our classified programs, our black programs, our unacknowledged special access programs, what they were building, what was on their roadmap for 20, 30 years out, 20, 30 years out, in terms of air and space technology. It was literally his job. So like the analogy for him, you know, we talked about Hunt for October earlier.
The analogy is like, remember Hunt for October, Alec Baldwin, is an analyst at the CIA and his specialty is knowing everything about Russia's nuclear submarine program and everything about the leadership of that program.
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Chapter 7: What role do filmmakers play in shaping public perception of UFOs?
That's his wheelhouse, right? He knows everything there is to know at a classified and unclassified level about this one thing. So much so that in the movie, when James Earl Jones, the head of the CIA, gets a satellite photo of a submarine, in Russia that he doesn't recognize and they wonder what it is, who do they go and ask? You know, they ask Baldwin and he knows what it is.
He knows who the commander is. He knows everything about him, where at school, his relationship with his wife, everything, right? People like that exist within the intelligence community that have these specific lanes that they know everything about at a classified level and an unclassified level. And Jay was that guy for air and space technology. And that is why he ended up in
this investigation of UAP and non-human intelligence in life. Because one day, one of his colleagues walked into his office and said, hey, I got to show you something and pulled him into a skiff and showed him a video that Air Force security guards had taken on a nuclear base of a triangle craft hovering above a nuclear weapon site and moving in ways that nothing does. And so-
They asked him, please tell us this is one of ours. He had been read in on all the black programs developing advanced next-gen technology for space and air. He was read in on those so that he could identify things that are ours versus things that are unknowns or potential threats. And it was clear to him that it wasn't.
So that same guy ends up, you know, putting together OSAP with Jim McCaskey, which starts investigating this stuff. And then eventually that same guy runs the investigation of the Tic Tac. And there's just no way we didn't, we didn't have that technology.
Right. I believe, I think I'm, I'm of the belief that it's multiple things going on. I'm sure it's shit that we have no idea what it is. Some other civilization. I mean, I have no doubt there's gotta be, there has to be intelligent life going on. Teaming throughout the universe.
Go back to Tic Tac. In 2004, if let's say I saw the conspiracy theory online, somebody claimed that that was Lockheed Martin technology. All right, if Lockheed Martin in 2004 had technology that could go from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is what the Tic Tac did, that's when you get into space, 80,000 feet, right?
If they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye,
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Chapter 8: How do historical events influence current discussions on UFOs?
and then do that all afternoon, they would be the most valuable company on the planet right now, 20 years later. Yes. It is impossible to accept the idea that they cracked that technology. If they were publicly public. They're not even in the top 100 market cap in the United States, much less the world. Right. I mean, I'm saying if that technology was public, they would be, for sure.
No, they would be, even if it wasn't. If they had that technology, I mean, think about this realistically. I've thought about this from every angle. If they had that technology in 2004, even if it was highly classified, that would give them so much leverage. They would have never lost a defense contract to any other defense contractor. But in reality they did. Every year they did.
Unless there was a handful of defense contractors who were close to it too, or doing the same stuff.
It doesn't even matter. They would have so much leverage. There is no way they would not be a more valuable company. You'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity.
Yeah, but how can you be more valuable when people aren't aware of what you have? If nobody with money or nobody knows what you really have, except for a very small group of people, where's the value come from?
So in this conspiracy theory, the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the government that knew this. Because if they didn't, if Lockheed had tech technology in 2004 and no one in the government knew it, why would they keep it classified? It doesn't make any sense.
They would only keep it classified if they had to, because there was government overseers that knew they had it. If, if there was no government overseers and they were the only, and they had actually cracked this technology in 04 and it was theirs, it wouldn't, they wouldn't, it wouldn't be classified. They would monetize it.
They become the wealthiest company in the history of the world overnight. Yeah.
I'm not sure about that though. A hundred percent, dude. I'm not sure that they would want to monetize it. I'm sure there'd be more power in keeping it secret. If they were developing something that was like, it would change the way that modern physics is known. And if it's been getting siloed and kept secret since the 50s or the 40s.
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