Danny Jones Podcast
#401 - “They Found the Footage” Why REAL Epstein Files Will Never Be Released | Ben Swann
01 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the background of Ben Swann's career and the Epstein scandal?
Ben Swann, nice to meet you, bro. Thanks for coming. Nice to meet you too, man. I love this place, by the way.
It's amazing in here.
It's so good.
Thank you, dude.
Thank you. John Kiriakou, recommended I get you on. Good. And talk about all your stuff. And I've been digging into your history, which is insane. A little bit. And how you've been vindicated over like with the last 10 years with the drop of all these Epstein files confirming everything that you lost your career over.
Essentially, yeah.
So why don't you like lay it out for people? Like how did this all start for you?
Yeah, so, you know, I was a journalist, still am, for 25 years. I started out, you know, as a news photographer, working in local news, became an anchor, kind of worked my way up through the ranks, worked for Fox, CBS, NBC. So, you know, just kind of did that for years, and I ended up in Cincinnati working for the Fox station there and really started –
doing stuff that was a little bit outside of what normal local news is, which, by the way, is a horrible product. Who watches this garbage? And so we kind of hit a sweet spot. We talked about things that other people wouldn't talk about. And this, you know, it's funny when you say that now, everybody does that, right? That's no big deal anymore. But that wasn't true even back like in 2012.
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Chapter 2: How did the Pizzagate conspiracy theory originate?
Yeah, I think there are people who have tried to. Right. I think there are people who have tried to. What I will break on your show is that since the Epstein stuff, since we've kind of been vindicated through all this, I've had a lot of people who have come to me and said, you were right 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I was too afraid to say something, but I'm going to show you this, this, this.
And what I will tell you is there is a basement in that pizza parlor.
Really?
Yep.
You have images to prove it.
no way so we're putting we're putting that together in the form of a full film that we'll be releasing soon but it blew my mind because i didn't believe there was i thought this was just you know it became part of the conspiracy because the thing is whether there's a basement or not right the the the concept of pizzagate is still true there are powerful people
who ritualistically and systematically abuse small children, right? And a lot of those people are around the largest centers of power in this country, right? Whether they be the tech centers, the political centers, the financial centers, that's where they are. That regardless of this one pizza place is true, but Turns out the other part's true as well.
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Chapter 3: What are the coded meanings behind 'pizza' in the context of Pizzagate?
But I would say the next ring up is, okay, there are people who, hey, maybe we go a little bit deeper. I'm into some weird stuff like cloning and I want human experimentation and let's do gene modification and sperm modification. You got to be a little more twisted to start moving towards that world. Yes.
Then you get into a ring of people that I would say is the, hey, by the way, we have some fun on our island. You know, if you like girls, I'm not talking about kids. I'm talking about girls who are like 17. They're barely where they're not supposed to be. Or maybe they're 18 or maybe they're 19. Right. And you get there and you don't even know the girls like 17 instead of 19. Right.
Because that's also part of the honey trap.
She could look 25 and you would never know. And that's part of the game. Yes, 100%. And we don't know who fits in what circle either. We have no idea. By the limited hangout of the emails that we've gotten because we have, you know, for example, Elon Musk could be totally fucking innocent, but we have emails of him going back and forth with Epstein about wanting to go to the island.
We have no proof that he ever went. It doesn't seem like he went. Right. But like there's a huge gap there in our knowledge of who fits in what part of that circle.
Well, and then we know that like the commerce secretary, Howard Ludnick, right? We know that he lied. He went to the island. Fucking liar. He took his kids to the island. Yeah. But we don't know he did anything on the island.
Right.
We didn't know he fucking lying through his teeth. But we know he lied about it. Right. Exactly. So that becomes a bigger problem. The bigger problem is that if you did nothing wrong, why'd you lie? Why'd you pretend that you were never there? And why the fuck does he still have a job? That's my question.
Yeah. How's that guy still the fucking commerce secretary when he lived 10 steps away from Jeffrey Epstein and lied to fucking everybody in the most condescending theatrical way on that stupid podcast, whatever that thing that was called, Pod Save America or whatever it was. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, anyways.
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Chapter 4: What evidence suggests Epstein's connections to powerful figures?
Came into work. The story blew up overnight. I think we had 3 million views in like eight hours on it. And again, today that would be even easier to do. It's a lot harder to do that in 2016. Come in the next day and they're freaking out. We're pulling the story down. We got to take it down. What's happened? And the network, CBS network was calling and freaking out. Podestas were calling.
Their lawyers were calling. Yeah. Why would you guys put this on the air? How could you allow this to be out there? And so, you know, so the first accusation was that I had gone rogue and done this on my own. Nope. Here's the sign off from all these people. Everybody knew this story was coming. Like we did.
Oh, and then, well, and at the time I was running an independent project at the same time that I've been doing for about, I'm still doing it. So at the time, It had been six years. It's called the Truth in Media Project. So while I was working for CBS, I also had this independent work that was going on. And so then they jumped to that. Well, well, you're not supposed to do this or this or this.
And I'm like, nope. In my contract, I can do it. I showed them everything. So basically they said, all right, here's the deal. So either we're gonna give you an option, we're gonna fire you and you can sue us and that'll take you forever to deal with that. Or you can stay here working for us, but you have to turn off all your social media. And I thought it was a bizarre request.
Like, so no Facebook, no YouTube, no X or Twitter, right? None of it. Gotta turn it all off, go dark completely. So I was like, well, I had five kids and a wife and I was like, okay, what's the point of even saying no to that? So I can do what? So we turned everything off. It was off for a year and I continued to be their anchor. So a lot of people thought I was dead. Oh my God. What happened?
They killed him. But no, I was still sitting on the nightly news in Atlanta every night, you know, four, five, six, and ten, and my face was still on billboards in Atlanta. But the online world, it was like he just... Gone. That's so crazy. Yeah. So I did that for a year. And then I had a chance through in 2018 because crypto had done so well.
I had some guys who were fans who were part of a crypto project that had a marketing budget. And they said, hey, you want to bring back the stuff you were doing independently and we can we'll sponsor it. And I said, yeah, let's do it. So I went back after a year and said to my bosses, so you guys have been in violation of my contract for a year. So I'm starting to do this stuff again.
Turn it back on. This is the day that I'm turning it back on.
and they were like okay we'll think about it and i walked out they called you're fired wow dude so that was my that was my last stint in in local last stint working for corporate media and just i've done everything independent since yeah man the attacks that people would get for covering this kind of stuff it created this huge barrier between people where it's like
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Thucydides Trap in US-China relations?
Yeah. Very unpredictable. Don't push him too hard because you don't know what he's going to do.
He's like, he's like, we're, we're, we're on a decline and they're trying to manage our decline. So we don't lose control. So we don't lose our temper on the way down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, she mentioned that in one of his speeches. Right. And, and I'll get the term wrong, but it's this, um, this concept of, and you might know the term, uh, It's escaping me. Anyways, it's basically the term came out of ancient Greece where Sparta was on the decline, Athens was on the rise.
And the theory is, is that for any declining power, when they intersect with an emerging power, they ultimately have to go to war at some point, right? And so what she was referencing when he was making his speech with Trump there was basically, we're trying to avoid this.
this paradox that we're trying to avoid, which is where the declining power, the United States is intersecting with the rising power, which is China. Do we have to, there it is. Yeah. Thucydides trap.
Interesting.
Yep. Thucydides trap. And that's ultimately what the Chinese are trying to avoid.
By the way, thank God for that. Yes, thank God for that.
They don't feel like they need to go to war with us in order to establish themselves. They're like, there's a way for us to continue to rise and for the U.S. to continue to decline without it ever becoming a war. And then, of course, Trump's response to him referring to the U.S.
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Chapter 6: How does the military-industrial complex impact US defense spending?
as a declining power was he was talking about Biden. Is it? Is that what he was talking about? Oh my God. Pretty sure he wasn't. Pretty sure that the Chinese are looking at this war with Iran and they're thinking, well, this would be easier than we thought it would be.
Yeah. And now they're meeting with the opposition party in... What is it? Taiwan. Yes. And it seems like it's going to be, it seems like it's possible that when they take Taiwan, it won't be like a military takeover.
It may not be. It may just be a reunification. Right. Yeah. Taiwan seems to be moving in that direction at this point. And listen, if you're Taiwan, why wouldn't you? I mean, if you just watched what happened to the Gulf states that...
sitting over there who have been much more important to the united states than taiwan and we just let them get obliterated right we haven't done anything to stop them getting hit um so so much so that countries like qatar and the uae are like we're not even going to be a part of opec anymore
Chapter 7: What role does propaganda play in shaping public perception?
we're backing out because this is a mess. This is, this is not working. The truth is it's sad, but I think I've told people, I believe that one of the things that this war reveals is what a scam the military industrial complex and military contractors have run on this country, right? Where they, they,
charge us these ridiculous amounts of money for a single missile, for a single Patriot missile, a THAAD missile radar detector. Those THAAD radars are what, a billion dollars a piece? And there's seven of them? And now there's like two left because Iran destroyed them. With drones that cost, you know- $20,000. Right. Yeah. Shaheed drones are 20 grand. We have that $600 million radar plane.
There's only seven of them in the world. There's now only six because they cut one in half with a drone, you know? And when you look at the economics of that, it's like we are so far behind in terms of what we have in terms of military power. Yeah, but we still have- aircraft carriers, more than anybody in the world.
We have the largest air force in the world, and we have the second largest air force. The largest air force in the world is the U.S. Air Force. The second largest air force in the world is the U.S. Navy, right? It's incredible. However, drones kind of render some of that useless, right? You don't have to spend that kind of money on planes when you have swarms of drones everywhere.
So the Russians... The Chinese, the Iranians, as we just learned, are way ahead of us in terms of that technology, cheaper. That's why Trump went to, he went to GM and Ford recently. Yeah, I saw that. And said, we want you to start manufacturing, right? The first time since World War II.
And he's subsidizing them or what?
So no official statement has been made about what they would do. I think this was basically Trump poking the contractors because he's like, you're taking too long to create equipment and it's too expensive. So if you can't do it, we'll find somebody who can. Right. So, yeah, they would basically do contracts if that were the case.
And it would probably be a great thing for American automakers to shift. My guess would be he's talking to them about shifting to drone production, which would make sense because.
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Chapter 8: How are UFOs and bioweapons labs connected in the current narrative?
What the Russia-Ukraine war did was it showed the world a whole new battlefield. War has completely changed, completely changed. And what we've done for the last 40 years is we keep investing in the same antiquated technology that we've always had. So go back to the first Persian Gulf War, all the way back in, what, 1991, and we were very proud of the Patriot missiles. Here are the Patriots.
And we were like, oh my gosh, I grew up in El Paso and Fort Bliss was the home of the Patriot missile. And it was like, we have this technology that we can stop anything. Well, at the time that was true in 1991. In 2026, that ain't true. And Iran just proved that, right? What we do is we overwhelm you with missiles and you got to shoot five or six Patriots to hit one.
You know, we send 30, 40 at a time. You're out of luck. You're shit out of luck. And that doesn't even take into account things like hypersonics. The Chinese have hypersonics, the Russians have hypersonics. You can't even detect them if they're moving so fast. So I think this war is a little bit of a wake-up call that we're way behind. Talk about that declining power.
And one reason we're declining power is because we have wasted so much treasure, $12 trillion, over the past 40 years on these Middle East wars, if not more. And we haven't invested anything here at home. All that money could have been used here. Instead it's used over there, and for what? And instead what other countries have done is they've quietly moved past us in terms of that.
So you better believe that the Chinese are watching, the Russians are watching every single thing that happens in this war, and they're watching response times and how we respond. Even the fact that we have, yeah, we have all these aircraft carriers, but we won't get them anywhere near Iran, because we're so afraid of them getting hit.
right so what good is it and they're slowly developing their soft power you know and their economic power like what are we going to do with china they they give us 90 of our pharmaceuticals and our medical supplies and they own probably a majority of our debt and you know it's it's just crazy man and
now we're talking about invading cuba or this night what was it going to happen castro's castro's brother what is it raul castro raul castro he's like 95 years old yeah so he'll probably be in chains by the time this airs he'll be sitting right in a cell in new york right yeah that's one thing that's one thing um that people say about this is that like maybe trump saw what happened to venezuela how good at how how clean and quick it happened and thought maybe he could do this and
Which, you know, I don't think anyone knew. Everyone in the know, like the Joint Chiefs and the high-level military people around him knew that this was not going to go down like that. And they told him. And they told him. They warned him that, right? It's also important to be said that like...
even though it seems like we are really losing this war, it is pretty impressive the operation that they did to rescue that downed WIZO and that plane that crashed, that got shot down there.
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