Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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After Carrie Farver drove away from Little Macedonia, Iowa in November of 2012 and never returned, cops and neighbors alike seemed all too willing to believe that her bipolar disorder was to blame. She'd had some sort of break with reality. And of course, they sympathized with Carrie's son, Max, and her mother, Nancy. But what could anyone do? Detective Ryan Avis.
In the small community where she's from, they all kind of believe that too, and Nancy never could stand up and argue. Nancy felt lonely indeed. Until one day, three years later, Avis' partner, Detective Jim Doty, knocked on her door.
I was a little bit standoffish because... Been down that road before.
Yeah.
Finally, he said to me, he said, well, I want you to know that I don't think she left on her own. And I tell you, my attitude just changed.
It was the very thing Nancy had suspected from the start. They saw what you had seen all along.
Right.
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Chapter 2: What led to the investigation into Cari's disappearance?
I'm leaving that in your court, Liz.
I mean, if that's something you would feel okay doing, that'd be really helpful for us. Liz was on board, said she would do her best, So, Liz left and before long reported that she had sent an email asking Amy to confirm that she really shot Liz to describe the kind of gun she used and to reveal whether she ever met Carrie Farver. And, Liz lied, Amy responded.
The gun was Dave's that I used. Don't worry, you didn't get it as bad as Crazy Carrie.
And that list showed detectives this email, supposedly from Amy.
So when I met Crazy Carrie, she would not stop talking about Dave and him being her husband. She tried to attack me, but I attacked her with a knife. I stabbed her three to four times in the chest and stomach area. I then took her out and burned her. I stuffed her body in a garbage bag with crap.
Of course, the investigators knew full well that Amy did not write that email, did not send that email, and did not kill Carrie. But the content of the email? That was just the sort of detail that only the actual killer would know. A couple of days later, Dave Krupa called Detective Avis and said he'd heard something disturbing from Liz. Police recorded the conversation.
She told me that the sheriff had found remains, like somebody's dead, and that they thought it was this Terry, and that supposedly they had all this evidence against Amy, you know, that she's complicit or knows something or whatever. Dave was quite understandably shaken up. The detective couldn't tell Dave much, but he did drop a big hint. I'd be damn near moved in with Amy if I were you.
Okay.
And since Liz did come and tell you this, I would avoid her like the plague right now. Okay. Dave took that advice, moved in with his ex-partner Amy so they could protect each other and their kids. But that outraged Liz. And she called the detectives to tell them she was upset because they had not arrested Amy.
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Chapter 3: How did Liz's role change in the investigation?
Yeah.
The summer of 2016 came and went. Another winter set in. And then on December 22nd, 2016, more than four years after Carrie Farber vanished, the county attorney finally finished reviewing all the evidence and decided there was enough evidence to arrest Liz Gollier and charge her with murder.
The best part of it was being able to go to Nancy and tell her, we've arrested somebody for the murder of your daughter. That was a big day for her. That was what made working this whole case worth it. It would feel like driving out there to see him. Couldn't drive fast enough. The news came as an unbelievable surprise for Dave Krupa, too. I was blown away. Absolutely blown away.
It was hard to swallow. I didn't know what to think. But with the surprise came relief. I just sat in a break room for, I don't know, a long time. Trying to wrap my head around it. It was the first time I could go outside and take a breath of fresh air and say, I don't have to look over my shoulder today.
Liz Goyer sat in jail while the prosecutors prepared for a trial that they knew would not be easy. Chief Deputy Douglas County Attorney Brenda Beadle. No body cases are tough, right?
Yeah. And circumstantial. It was very circumstantial.
Circumstantial cases can be among the most convincing to a jury, but not always. Not always. And then, as the trial date was bearing down, Dave Krupa made a trip to his storage unit. And he was sorting things. And he found something. And he knew right away somebody had to see this. That had been sitting in my storage unit in a box for a year and a half. Boy, it wasn't ever icing on the cake.
Yeah. Buttercream. Right, right. Well, that became the cake, and the rest was icing.
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Chapter 4: What evidence was uncovered that implicated Liz?
Nothing I can think of. And then as they're walking out the door, I'm like, ah, you know what? I do have a tablet. He used to use it for playing them stupid app games like you download on your phone. I mean, 10-minute time wasters. That's all I ever used it for. And he was like, ah, well, when you get a chance to grab it, it was in my storage unit.
You know, it was something I could have given to him two years ago. If they'd have asked and I'd have thought of it. So I gave it to him the next day. Gave it to Tony Cava, actually, the tech guru. And I took it back to the lab, and I really didn't expect to find much. But then, as he poked around in the tablet's history of time wasters, as Dave called them...
he came across something he didn't expect.
There was a memory card in the tablet. And that memory card, when you put it in the computer, it's been formatted.
In 2014, somebody cleared it off. So it looks empty. Blank? Or so it seemed. until he took a closer look. But when you look through the unallocated space, you look at things that have been deleted that were on there, I found right away evidence that this memory card was actually used in Liz Golier's phone back in 2012 and 2013. And on the SD card, deleted but yet still visible.
And as I dug deeper, I was able to recover thousands of photographs, including hundreds of selfies that Liz took. Certainly getting interesting now. Tony scrolled through the photos, carefully examined every one. The selfies? Not so useful, really. But then, what was this? Two of them showed tattoos that we had never seen before. These were not tattoos that Liz had.
When I saw the first photo, I wasn't actually sure what I was looking at. Wasn't sure because it was so unusual. I saw a Chinese symbol. I didn't know what it meant, and I didn't know what was going on there. A Chinese symbol? Well... How could Tony Cobb know everything? How could he know about something that happened nearly two decades before, something deeply personal for someone?
Do you remember? When Carrie Farver gave birth to her son, Max, in 1997, she got a tattoo on the top of her foot. It was the Chinese symbol for mother. We talked to Max about it back at the beginning of our story. That tattoo was for you. She reminded me of it, too. But when Tony Cava saw the photo of that tattoo, it wasn't just a symbol that jumped out at him. The coloring on it was interesting.
Cava showed the photo to Detectives Doty and Avis. Avis described it. There were dark lines in the picture. Dark lines? You looked more closely. Those lines were veins on what looked like someone's foot. Someone's deceased foot, thus the odd color. Avis called Carrie's mom, Nancy. Nancy was able to email a few pictures, and sure enough, Carrie has that same tattoo on her left foot. Wow.
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