Something About Cari - Ep. 5: Mother
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After Carrie Farver drove away from Little Macedonia, Iowa in November of 2012 and never returned, cops and neighbors alike seemed all too willing to believe that her bipolar disorder was to blame. She'd had some sort of break with reality. And of course, they sympathized with Carrie's son, Max, and her mother, Nancy. But what could anyone do? Detective Ryan Avis. In the small community where she's from, they all kind of believe that too, and Nancy never could stand up and argue. Nancy felt lonely indeed. Until one day, three years later, Avis' partner, Detective Jim Doty, knocked on her door.
I was a little bit standoffish because... Been down that road before.
Yeah.
Finally, he said to me, he said, well, I want you to know that I don't think she left on her own. And I tell you, my attitude just changed.
It was the very thing Nancy had suspected from the start. They saw what you had seen all along.
Right.
Yeah.
So then the investigation really got going.
An investigation as unusual and convoluted as the suspected crime. I'm Keith Morrison, and this is Something About Carrie, a podcast from Dateline. Episode 5, Mother. Back in the city, Liz Gaulier was now eagerly playing a new role, trying to help detectives prove that Amy Flora, Dave Krupa's ex and also Liz's rival for Dave's time and perhaps affection, Amy was the one who'd shot Liz and killed Carrie. Of course, all the while detectives knew that Amy was innocent, but they let Liz think they believed otherwise. Well, interviewing Liz, they even dropped hints of what to listen for from Amy so they could arrest her. Broad hints, as you can hear in this exchange.
And what do you know?
Wonder of wonders, within days, Liz began forwarding detectives' emails from Amy. She said emails that were far more explicit than anything they'd seen before. We had a voice actor read them.
I shot you, Liz, to make sure Dave stayed away from you. I made a couple of those fake emails and numbers you and Dave thought were Carrie to get rid of you, Liz, but it didn't work too well.
When they first started coming in, they were pretty vague. So Detective Doty called in Liz again and told her she was on the right track and offered further guidance.
So you guys want me to try and email her back?
What led to the investigation into Cari's disappearance?
I'm leaving that in your court, Liz.
I mean, if that's something you would feel okay doing, that'd be really helpful for us. Liz was on board, said she would do her best, So, Liz left and before long reported that she had sent an email asking Amy to confirm that she really shot Liz to describe the kind of gun she used and to reveal whether she ever met Carrie Farver. And, Liz lied, Amy responded.
The gun was Dave's that I used. Don't worry, you didn't get it as bad as Crazy Carrie.
And that list showed detectives this email, supposedly from Amy.
So when I met Crazy Carrie, she would not stop talking about Dave and him being her husband. She tried to attack me, but I attacked her with a knife. I stabbed her three to four times in the chest and stomach area. I then took her out and burned her. I stuffed her body in a garbage bag with crap.
Of course, the investigators knew full well that Amy did not write that email, did not send that email, and did not kill Carrie. But the content of the email? That was just the sort of detail that only the actual killer would know. A couple of days later, Dave Krupa called Detective Avis and said he'd heard something disturbing from Liz. Police recorded the conversation.
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