The AI industry's existential race for profits
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Hello, and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Apatow, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today, let's talk about the looming AI monetization cliff, and whether some of the biggest companies in the space can become real profitable businesses before they careen right off it. My guest today is Hayden Field, who's our senior AI reporter here at The Verge, and she's been keeping close tabs on both Anthropic and OpenAI, and how those two companies in particular tell us a whole lot about the AI industry as a whole in 2026. You've certainly heard a version of the monetization cliff story before. Anthropic, OpenAI, and all the other big AI startups are built off the back of hundreds of billions in capital investment.
And they're linked to even greater amounts of forward-looking investment in data center build-out, chips, and other infrastructure spend. At some point, that return has to pay off, the profits have to materialize, or the bubble pops.
What is the looming AI monetization cliff?
Maybe AGI arrives, maybe the economy crashes, who knows? If you've been listening to The Coder, you've heard me talk about this with tons of CEOs right here on the show, and a majority of them have hinted towards the bubble popping. They think some companies will fail in spectacular fashion and others will succeed, but that the opportunities, and especially the money, are simply too big to ignore. The AI industry is going to do this, whether we want it to or not. The market depends on it. And so these last few weeks have felt like a very important inflection point, as both Anthropic and OpenAI have started to react to the reality of needing to go public to make money. The catalyst for all this change is the rise of AI agents, products like Cloud Code and Cowork, the open source OpenClaw, and OpenAI's Codex.
They've all radically changed how these companies are thinking about their resources. And that's starting to affect how they behave, the products they support or suddenly kill, the restrictions they impose on customers, and the money they're willing to burn on the way towards your next big milestone. That's because agents are valuable to customers right now, but agents also use far more compute. And so the way people are using agents is burning tokens at a rate way faster than these companies anticipated. and that's causing them to make hard decisions. We saw this most evidently last month when OpenAI abruptly killed its video generation app, Sora, ditching a $1 billion Disney deal in the process.
Why? Well, it costs too much to run, and OpenAI needs to compute for codecs. And we saw it again just last week when Anthropic decided it would no longer let cloud users burn through compute resources using the OpenCloud agent framework through a standard subscription plan, instead forcing those users onto a pay-as-you-go plan, which costs substantially more. As you'll hear Hayden explain, these are glimmers of a make-or-break moment for the AI industry, as both Anthropic and OpenAI barrel towards two of the biggest IPOs in history. And the pressure on these companies to make money has never been this intense. The projection these companies have made, which just this week leaked to the Wall Street Journal, tell a story of mind-boggling growth, to the tune of hundreds of billions in revenue and profitability by the end of the decade.
But the most important questions now are, can these companies pull all this off? And what compromises will they make to reach that goal and avoid crashing and burning? Before we start, a quick reminder that you can listen to this episode or any episode of Decoder completely ad-free by subscribing to The Verge. Just go to theverge.com slash subscribe. Okay, The Verge senior policy reporter Hayden Field and the AI monetization cliff in the race to profitability. Here we go.
Hayden Field, your senior AI reporter here at The Verge. Welcome back to Decoder. Thanks. It's great to be here. I'm excited to talk to you. There's a lot going on in AI world recently.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–0:54
2
What is the looming AI monetization cliff?
0:54–7:10
3
How are Anthropic and OpenAI preparing for IPOs?
7:10–12:08
4
What changes are being made to AI product offerings?
12:08–25:10
5
How does the competition between OpenAI and Anthropic affect their strategies?
25:10–35:51
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What are the implications of AI pricing changes for users?
35:51–35:58
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