Prof. Gert Biesta: What Is Education Actually For? A Philosopher's Answer | EPS 018
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Who is Prof. Gert Biesta and what shaped his journey into education philosophy?
Goodbye Star, thanks for accepting my invitation to be on my podcast. My
pleasure.
Yeah, um, good to see you again. Um we we we we we caught up again in Berlin recently, which was great. Um, and the first question I like to ask all my guests, particularly invited guests, is you know, there'll be a lot of people who'll be listening uh who might not know you, which would be surprising because you are a very popular character in the world of education. But for those people who are not listening, uh maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself, your background. So on and so forth.
Yeah, um Where shall I start? Uh I was not a very good student in secondary school. So I've only just managed to um finish that successfully, had no real idea what to do. Uh ended up studying economics for about half a year and was completely lost. Then I studied theology for two years, which I really liked. But couldn't see um a future for myself. Um and then I thought I should stop going to university and get a job. And I ended up with a job um in a hospital. Where I um got um a what is it certificate uh as uh an x ray technician. Um so I'm fully qualified in making uh X-ray pictures. Uh and then someone there said, Would you like to teach a bit on our program? And I said, Yes, I'd love to do that. And that was my start in teaching.
Not with only qualifications, but with enthusiasm and hard work. And I ended up teaching physics for about ten years. Um and then I did a teacher education program for that. And I got so interested in education that I went to evening university. Uh, did a degree in education as a subject in itself, theory and history of education? And did a degree in philosophy? And that sort of got me uh yeah, hooked in in higher education. For about ten years I worked in the Netherlands at universities. And then I moved to England, where I experienced much more intellectual freedom. Um, so I've been living in the UK for the past 27 years, um, worked in different places and I think um written quite a lot um that all goes to the
The bigger questions about um Education, I think. Mm. And I'm very surprised that the the questions I ask are also the questions that other people find interesting. Um so I'm yeah, very surprised that my work is translated in twenty-one or twenty-two languages. So it it it connects and and yeah, that's quite rewarding, not for me, but Because I think I care about education and and if other people find that helpful and and see the same problems that uh that I think is good. That's a a story of my life.
You've you've done very well to keep that within a very, you know, kind of tight time frame, you know. Some people I ask, they could take fifteen, twenty minutes to answer that question, of course. Um now you've you've you've you've made a few interesting points in there which I'll probably pick up on, but the first one I have to ask you And it was interesting that you're aware of this anyway. And I'd be surprised if you weren't aware of it, because you mentioned your work being published in different languages. And your work does get cited a lot, particularly by classroom teachers, or educational practitioners, teachers, whatever you want to refer to at this point in time, but I guess the obvious question maybe it's not an obvious question, but I'm interested in your thoughts about why you think your work is so popular.
Um Partly I don't know, so it's also a question For me, but I think It speaks to things that are real that that teachers also experience. And um yeah, sometimes when I get feedback I But I hear regularly and and really find nice to hear. Is when Teachers and it really is at the level of teachers. You're right about that. Well, they say your work gives gives language to what we feel or are concerned about or are excited about, but for which we didn't have language or have lost language. So it's very interesting that they mentioned this point of language. And say actually when when we read your work, suddenly we have the language to to talk about the things that really matter.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who is Prof. Gert Biesta and what shaped his journey into education philosophy?
0:00–12:23
2
What is “learnification” and why does Biesta argue it hides the real purpose of education?
12:23–23:37
3
How does Biesta differentiate between helping students express existing subjectivity and the process of subjectification?
23:37–34:17
4
Why does Biesta describe teaching as an “interruption” rather than a facilitation of learning?
34:17–43:03
5
What does “world‑centred education” mean and how does it contrast with child‑ or curriculum‑centred approaches?
43:03–55:38
6
Is teaching a profession and how should educational research serve, rather than undermine, practice?
55:38–1:07:50
7
What are Biesta’s concerns about AI’s impact on teaching, learning, and scholarly work?
1:07:50–1:18:00
8
What key insights and unanswered questions does Biesta leave listeners with at the end of the conversation?
1:18:00–1:27:10
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