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Alan from Tryolabs - AI Is Not Magic: Here’s What Real Deployment Looks Like | DSH #1768
19 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: How can AI identify lions using whisker patterns?
Within the species, I can tell if this lion is Bob or if this lion is Alice based on their whisker pattern. So they will conserve the whisker patterns since they're cubs. And the idea here is these organizations have a data set of many photographers of lions taken through the years.
And whenever there's a new photo, we can actually use AI to match it to the existing database so they can see, oh, this lion was actually found in another reservoir hundreds of miles away, and now it's moved here. So that gives them data to be able to protect those lands.
So fascinating.
Yeah, and those are kind of the use cases of AI that AI for good of the world. It's something that is really interesting for us.
OK, guys, we got Alan from Trial Labs here. We are at the AI4 conference. Great to meet you, Alan. What is Trial Labs about?
So Trial Labs is an AI consulting and services company. We've been in this space for 15 years, so way before AI was a thing that everybody was talking about. In fact, AI was called machine learning back then.
So we started around 2009, 2010, initially serving clients in the Bay Area startup, San Francisco, which was the only place in the world where there were crazy enough founders to kind of use these technologies. And through the years we've grown, nowadays we serve mostly corporate and enterprise clients and also some big nonprofit organizations.
And what is the exact service that you're giving these clients?
So we help them build custom solutions using AI and data to get some desired outcome. In general, it's like business outcomes, but it can also be some outcome that's good for the world or some other initiative that they're pursuing. So yeah, these companies have massive amounts of data. There's a lot of things that they need solved.
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Chapter 2: What does Tryolabs do in the AI consulting space?
That's fascinating.
Yeah. We're also doing some interesting work with an organization called the Nature Conservancy around the sustainable fishing practice. So I think it's like close to 38% of all the fishing stocks in the world are overfished. And that is a big problem for conservation of ecosystems.
And there's also like push from governments in the regulation of electronic monitoring and also push from some retailers like Walmart, for example. They announced that every fish that will be in the shelves in the next year or two will have to be fished sustainably.
So what we're doing there is like we're putting cameras on the fishing vessels and whenever they're fishing, we can classify like what's catch, like the intended catch and the bycatch and get independent metrics. Wow. So yeah, this is an industry that the electronic monitoring industry exists for a long time. But the problem is that the review cycles for the videos takes like several months.
So you ship a hard drive and then three months later, yeah, you have overfished here. And clearly you cannot act rapidly with that. So we are shortening the cycles and making sure that this ship can report independent metrics in real time.
Yeah, 38% is a lot. It's a lot.
Is that a worldwide issue? That's a worldwide issue for sure. I was reading the other day that even in the, that is like putting selective pressure on some species. So the fish are actually shrinking due to the overfishing. So imagine that these smaller individuals, they can kind of escape the nets. So that makes the species overall through the years smaller.
And that also, of course, causes problems for conservation.
Interesting. So that's a major problem. You guys also track some lions too, right?
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Chapter 3: Why is AI implementation more challenging than expected?
And there's the other method, which is tracking that's non-invasive. So photographers will go with a telephoto, capture these photos from very far away, and it turns out that the lions, they can be uniquely identified. So this is like, within the species, I can tell if this lion is Bob or if this lion is Alice based on their whisker patterns.
so they will conserve the whisker patterns since they're cubs and the idea here is like these organizations have a data set of many photographers of lions taken through the years and whenever there's a new photo we can actually use AI to match it to the existing database so they can see oh this lion was actually found in another reservoir like hundreds of miles away and now it's moved here so that gives them data to be able to protect those lands.
Yeah, and those are kind of the use cases of AI for good of the world. It's something that is really interesting for us.
One of my favorite ones was my friend Walter O'Brien. He used AI to solve the Boston bomber at the marathon. Wow. Searched through thousands of hours of footage, and they were able to find his patterns and how he was reacting because everyone else was running away while he was acting casually.
Wow.
Crazy, right?
Yeah, that's fantastic. I mean, you also hear the kind of dystopian stories about what the potential of that technology is. Like, look at China, what they're doing. Right, mass surveillance. Massive surveillance, yeah. But I feel like the underlying technology is not bad or anything. If it's used for good purposes, I think it can make a huge difference.
Agreed. Yeah, I am worried about mass surveillance one day. I think everybody is. They got cameras everywhere, all the traffic lights.
They do. They do. I mean, there's, of course, another aspect of the AI that's called edge AI. So there's some specific algorithms that can run on device. So for example, retailers can use that for analytics within the store. And that doesn't necessarily have to identify any individual person.
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Chapter 4: How does UNICEF use satellite imagery for mapping schools?
And the interesting part is, how do you differentiate smoke from fog or from somebody doing a barbecue? There's a lot of challenging aspects that come with developing these models. You start to generate some false positives. And if your system generates too many false positives, then nobody will pay attention to that. So you have to kind of balance it out in a way that it's actually useful.
But it can be really accurate. And these companies expanding internationally, they're having great success. Nice.
So the one that happened last week in California, did it track that one?
I'm not sure. We developed the initial version of that solution and then left them to continue. Because that's something that we do. It's not just about building the solution and staying there forever. It's like we can do what's called project delivery with knowledge transfer. So we will train their own teams to continue developing the solution through the years.
What was the most difficult model to train out of your 15 years doing this?
That's a great question. I think the fire one is particularly tricky because it's like the data collection effort that needs to undergo of that in order to have a nice ratio of false positive that is manageable is really tricky. There's like... any single phenomenon, like there's a bird on the camera that it can really things that you don't think about can happen.
Also like lens flare and again fog or some specific pattern of clouds. And then you take your model to another location and maybe there's snow. And when you train in California in these parts, there's never the models has never seen snow. So there's a lot of custom things that can go wrong. And there's a long tail of data that you need to collect for it to be really accurate.
So I'd say that's an interesting one. Of course, there's many more areas in which we've worked. So there's work that we've done in forecasting. How can a retailer forecast how many items they need to buy so that they don't run out of stock next week? And there's a lot of complexities in that kind of scenarios. But yeah, I don't know if there's a single most difficult model.
But this is something worth mentioning, for sure.
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Chapter 5: What role does AI play in sustainable fishing practices?
And yeah, right now we're working for many different industries on the airline business. We're doing models from like optimization of contingency fuel. We're doing revenue management systems. We're doing like Gen AI, making developers more efficient. We're doing also things in the manufacturing space, in the automotive space.
So these companies that have massive amounts of data, 1% for one of these companies is like hundreds of millions of dollars savings every year.
1%?
Yeah, 1%. So it's like a project we did for a major airline last year. It saved them over $120 million in fuel cost savings. Wow. And that is something that, yeah, that project took like a year of development. But that is like when you optimize the whole value chain, like massive unlocks happen.
And that is like I think it takes like a change of mindset in the leadership of a company from the top to make sure that there's actually like budgets for R&D and for like what's going on in bigger companies is they have so many opportunities to use AI. However, their data layer is so far behind.
And I was telling my colleague that I met right here in the conference that the other day we started a project for a massive retailer.
Yeah.
And the way that we got the access to the data set for, it was a forecasting project, was a hard drive mailed to our office. So imagine if you want to get the most value out of AI, what can you do if your data layer implies that you'd have to ship a hard drive rather than giving me cloud access and everything? So there's like, I think we're living kind of in a bubble in the sense that
What we see when we see that AI move so fast, everybody's doing agents, everybody's having the ROI, whatever. The vast majority of companies are so far behind of that that they actually need to invest years in unifying the data layer and make everything ready for extracting the value out of AI. Got it. So I think that's the massive part of the market is over there.
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