'BASTARD' & 'GOBLIN' by Tyler The Creator | Last Song Standing (E1)
episodePreviously titled “'BASTARD' / 'GOBLIN' by Tyler The Creator | Last Song Standing (E1)” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 4, 2026
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What is the premise of 'Last Song Standing' featuring Tyler The Creator?
Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Kushner.
And I'm Charles Holmes. And today we're back with our fifth season. The artist may change, but our task stays the same. On this show, Cole and I argue our way through an artist's entire catalog in order to crown their single greatest song of all time, a.k.a. The Last Song Standing.
In past seasons, we've covered Kendrick Lamar, Frank Ocean, Outkast, and most recently, we switched things up and debated the best album of the 21st century so far, ultimately crowning the greatest project of the last 25 years.
But today, the LSS boys begin a new journey, a journey into the discography of one of the most talented and at times controversial artists of the modern era, Tyler, the Creator.
Cole. Bro, it's been so long in person. How have you been?
Beautiful, Charles. It's always good to see you. Fresh fit on. Come on. You always got the fresh fade.
I had to. You don't even want to know how much the rise in gas prices and economy has affected the haircut and the fade in LA. It's bonkers, but I do have news for you.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if you've noticed. I'm a little bit more zen. Guess what I've been dabbling into? Some transcendental meditation.
Shut up.
I kid you not, bro. I'm doing 20 minutes every day. I'm trying to get it up to two times a day.
Dude, that's beautiful. That's inspiring.
I was reading David Lynch's book on it, watching some YouTube videos, really getting in there, bro.
Do you do it with music or just silence?
I sit in silence. I have a little keyboard that kind of helps me, not connected to anything, but kind of hone in, let my mind roam, and just kind of get into the unified field of existence, bro. Can you... can you share the keyword or is that private that is that's private it's not that important but i was just like i've i've singled out on one a lot of people are like you should go to a transcendental center and once i have time to do that i will yeah but i'm feeling good bro my mind is expanding
You only look great. Thank you. I'm very excited to start this journey. Would you say Tyler, the creator's music puts you in a transcendental meditative state? Oh, absolutely.
What is Tyler The Creator's origin story?
Absolutely not. Like I was like, there were times when I was about to meditate and I had been listening to Tyler and I had to shut it. I had to put on some like Fiona Apple. Like I really just had to be like, especially the early albums we're talking about, very aggressive. And I'm like, this is not putting me in a great space.
All right. Well, Tyler, the creator, our journey begins here. Yep. Curious. What is your relationship to Tyler, the creator's music? Complicated.
Okay. We are around the same age. And I would say Tyler is one of those artists where I was there from the beginning. in a similar way that I was there for Kanye West or Childish Gambino or any of these other artists that have defined the 21st century. I remember being there for Tyler. I remember Bastard. I remember the stuff that happened before Bastard. I remember them, Odd Future, Haji Beats, all of them going to the Jimmy Fallon show, the Free Earl shit. And I think my relationship with Tyler has changed as I've gotten older and as he's gotten older. But you're obviously a Tyler fan, Odd Future fan. You've done seasons on Tyler, Frank Ocean. but I have the feeling you went back.
Yeah. So this is, I've talked about this many times on the show, but this is when my black hole started. Exactly when Tyler was popping off is when I went to college for classical music and just obsessed over classical music and kind of shut off the rest of the world out of survival because I would have dropped out if I didn't do that. So I have gone back to the early work. I experienced Tyler in real time starting with Cherry bomb flower boy era.
Oh shit.
So yeah, the early, I missed the early stuff aside from a, like a Yonkers, which of course was just unavoidable, but I didn't put on a full Tyler album until the black hole ended around cherry bomb. So going back to the old stuff, having not experienced it, which we're going to talk a lot about today, it's interesting in so many ways.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the premise of 'Last Song Standing' featuring Tyler The Creator?
0:11–2:35
2
What is Tyler The Creator's origin story?
2:35–9:04
3
How did Tyler's early music reflect his personal experiences?
9:04–10:33
4
What themes are explored in the album 'Bastard'?
10:33–39:09
5
How does the album 'Goblin' differ from 'Bastard'?
39:09–41:13
6
What makes the song 'Yonkers' significant in Tyler's career?
41:13–52:51
7
What are the standout tracks from 'Bastard' and 'Goblin'?
52:51–56:21
8
What is the significance of the collaborative dynamics in Tyler's early work?
56:21–1:55:48