Partner with Jay! https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contactㅤPre-order Jay Schwedelson’s new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research—let’s kick cancer’s butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206ㅤCheck out Jay’s YOUTUBE Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay’s TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelsonCheck Out Jay's INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ㅤMASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail!CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down.Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about.If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered.Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothisㅤIf your attribution model is telling you to dump everything into branded paid search, congratulations, you've just found a fast way to flatline your pipeline. Laura Beussman, CMO and CRO at CallRail, sat down with Jay Schwedelson to push back on the idea that attribution is dead, and to make the case that the real problem isn't measurement, it's marketers oversimplifying it. Spoiler: she has the patent and the 20 million call dataset to back it up.ㅤConnect with Laura Beussman on LinkedIn and try CallRail free at callrail.com/dothis to see how attribution, call tracking, and conversational AI actually fit together for your business.ㅤBest Moments:(01:43) Why "attribution is dead" is mostly clickbait dressed up as a hot take(03:17) The trap of trusting a beautiful chart that tells you to spend on one channel(04:29) Self-reported attribution and why CallRail holds the patent on it(06:26) Conversational AI now picks up call sentiment, next steps, and coaching moments(08:00) What it actually feels like owning marketing and revenue under one job title(13:29) LLM traffic is still tiny but growing fast, and the discovery game has changed(15:21) The hide-in-your-room versus go-to-the-dinner debate at industry events

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