John Hart Reflects On 1996 South Africa Tour, Jonah Lomu & Rassie Erasmus
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What a special guest to have in studio and I've been working on this one for a wee while and I've asked him many times and I'm so thrilled that John Hart, Harty, has come in to sit down and chat with us as we're about to embark on another tour of South Africa 30 years ago, John. History made and you were the coach of that. It just, it doesn't seem like 30 years ago for us guys who are a bit older, does it?
No, well, you know, we just had a reunion of that team last week before the Irish test and only on Monday night we had dinner with the All Blacks before they tour. And honestly, the stories, it felt like yesterday. So to the players and the members of the management team, it's so vivid in the memory.
How did John Hart reflect on the historical significance of the 1996 All Blacks tour to South Africa?
So, you know, I know it's 30 years ago, but it certainly doesn't seem like that.
I've got so many questions here for you. Does the history of it and the achievement, as time goes on, does it, you know, with somebody like you, does it actually, you reflect and it actually means more than maybe it even did at the time?
I've got no doubt that's right. We knew it was a huge hurdle. And because New Zealand had never won a series in South Africa and everything had gone against the All Blacks every time they'd played there, we knew it was a massive task. But I think when you go, this was the first year of professional rugby. And when you look back on 30 years of professional rugby, you understand the magnitude of what we did. Because we played eight games in four weeks on that tour. We played every midweek and test every week. And that followed six tests in Australia and New Zealand over seven weeks. So we ended up in an 11 or 12 week period playing 10 tests and four midweek games. Today, you wouldn't do that. The workload would not allow it.
And so, yeah, it's grown for us to say, yeah, it was pretty special.
What people may or may not realise is back then when rugby turned professional, so it's after the 95 Rugby World Cup final, the very first tri-nations competition, arrived and we played that before we went to South Africa so we started off people with this remarkable 43-6 win at Athletic Park one of the greatest ever all-black performances and one of the worst weather bomb storms ever to you know that you could play rugby and at that horrible decrepit old stadium which we loved then went on to Christchurch played the box then we went to Queensland And then so by the time we arrived in South Africa in Cape Town, you know, we'd already been playing those test matches. Then you add the test matches in South Africa to it.
So, yeah, as you say, it was almost like eight weeks nonstop, wasn't it? Test after test after test.
Well, 10 weeks, 10 tests in 12 weeks in three countries. Right. Would they do that today? No way.
No. And so you didn't know at that stage, you know, going on tour with the All Blacks, maybe you'd go for 10, however many weeks, 12 weeks or something. But it was entirely different because every match was actually a test match. And one of the things, John, that you did was you took a big squad and you had to battle New Zealand rugby to get that, didn't you?
Yeah. Yeah, well, New Zealand, when I got appointed, obviously it was the first year of professionalism, and I was told in no uncertain fashion that the target for me was to win the series in South Africa. And so I did a lot of planning, and I was very fortunate in having a great manager, Mike Banks, who was on the board of New Zealand Rugby. And we put together a whole programme and a concept of how we would win in South Africa. And A lot of it was probably groundbreaking. For instance, we asked for the two of us to go to South Africa four months before the tour to go through every hotel, go through every ground, go through transport, just understand, look at the training gear, the equipment that we'd have available to us.
So we understood what was in front of us.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–1:01
2
How did John Hart reflect on the historical significance of the 1996 All Blacks tour to South Africa?
1:01–7:47
3
Why was the 1996 schedule of 10 tests in 12 weeks considered unsustainable today?
7:47–17:53
4
What logistics and planning innovations did Hart introduce before the South Africa tour?
17:53–23:34
5
Why did John Hart insist on a 36-player squad and how did that change midweek vs test management?
23:34–48:13
Speakers
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