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Tony Johnson: All Blacks Stumble vs England, So What Now?

17 Nov 2025

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Let’s be honest, we’re all still feeling the sting of that England loss. Three defeats this year, and this one might be the most frustrating of the lot. So today we sat down with Tony Johnson, who’s been right in the middle of it all, calling the games and talking to the people who know what’s actually going on inside the All Blacks camp. We break down the moments that swung the match: missed kicks for touch, defensive lapses, the Codie Taylor yellow card, the domino effect of errors, and the injuries to Cam Roigard and Beauden Barrett. Tony spells out the five or six controllables that hurt us and why those flat patches keep haunting this team. We also look ahead. Cardiff looms, there are selection headaches everywhere, Jason Holland is leaving, and big questions remain about whether parts of this coaching group are still learning on the job. Tony doesn’t shy away from any of it. Plus, fair dues to England. Tony explains exactly how they got their tactics right and why the bench was the difference. Find every episode and discover your next favourite podcast on the rova app or rova.nz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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