Episode 103: Brian Leiter explains why we should think about Marx
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Hello and welcome to Elucidations, a philosophy podcast recorded at the University of Chicago. I'm Matt Teichman. I'm Lawrence Dalman. With us today is Brian Leiter, Carl N. Lewellan Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the Center for Law, Philosophy and Human Values at the University of Chicago. He is here to discuss. Why we should think about marks? Brian Leider, welcome back to Elucidations.
Thank you, Matt. And thanks, Lawrence. It's good to be here again.
So Karl Marx is famous for like telling a story about the way our society's set up and the way it's going to go, the kinds of, you know, maybe catastrophes it might be headed for. What were some of his basic views about that?
So I'm gonna resist calling it a story to start with, because for Marx it was very important that it was actually a correct explanation of patterns of historical, social and economic change. That that was really central to the whole way he thought about what he was doing. He thought it was a scientific theory of historical change, though Remember scientific, right? Vincent Shaflik in the nineteenth century. For us, scientific has the connotation of natural science, looks like physics. Didn't have that connotation for Marx, right? But it was meant to be a true explanatory account of why it is um history evolves, the way it does, why it is, particular forms of social order rise and fall. And Marx's crucial thought was that the sort of the engine of historical change really had two components to it.
One was the level of development of what he called the productive forces in a society. That is, every society has some way in which people produce the things they need need in order to live. And foragers and farmers produce what they need to live in a ways very different than we do in industrial capitalism. And indeed, we in the twenty first century produce our means of subsistence quite a bit differently than even at the heyday of industrial capitalism in the middle of the 20th century. So Marx's first thought is that you've got to pay attention to how developed the productive forces of any given society are at any particular historical moment. But then the other thing that he thought that was crucial is that the dynamics of any society were a matter of what he famously called class struggle.
Right. Where classes for Marx are defined in terms of the relationship they stand in to the existing productive forces in a society. So in classic, say, nineteenth century industrial capitalism, workers, the famed proletariat that Marx talked about, Um workers owned only their own labor power. That was the only force of production they owned, and they were able to sell it. to capitalists. Capitalists were able to purchase other people's labor power, but capitalists also owned the industrial means of production. They owned the factory, and then they owned the widgets that came off the assembly line from the factory. They paid the workers some wage, right, in return for the labor power, and everything else the capitalists were able to keep.
That's just One example. So in a capitalist society we have capitalists, they own the major means of production, they purchase other people's labor power. Workers, they can only sell their labor power, they don't own any other means of production. If you go back to the Middle Ages, you think of feudal societies, it's totally different. The serfs didn't even own their labor power, right? They couldn't sell their labor power. They could perhaps use some of it. to produce some of their means of subsistence. They didn't even typically own their tools, right? The feudal lord owned everything, owned the land, owned the tools, right?
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Chapters
5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–5:40
2
What is Marx’s core theory of historical change and how does it differ from a simple story?
5:40–12:25
3
How does Marx define the relationship between productive forces and class structure?
12:25–23:22
4
What is the difference between feudal, industrial and 21st‑century capitalism in Marx’s analysis?
23:22–28:13
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How does modern class stratification (e.g., CEOs, tech owners, gig workers) map onto Marx’s concept of class struggle?
28:13–50:39
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