Episode 91: Paolo Santorio discusses counterfactuals
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And I'm Dunanj Jagannath.
With us today is Paulo Santorio. Lecture in philosophy at the University of Leeds, and he's here to discuss counterfactuals. Hi Matt. Hi Donna Jay. So a counterfactual statement is a kind of if then statement. It's but it's a special kind of if then statement. where the if part is not true. So in other words, it's the kind of thing where you imagine what would have happened if the world had been different. So you're engaging in this kind of like what if reasoning. So for example I don't have a sister, but if I had had a sister She would have had red hair. Maybe that's a counterfactual conditional. Uh is that what we're dealing with here? That's roughly right.
Right, yes. It's quite hard actually to say what counterfactuals are in a precise way. What you said is right for the great majority of counterfactuals is a kind of if then statement uh in which the antecedent is not true and the speakers are actually assuming that it's not true. And normally these conditionals are expressed using would. So it's a kind of if then would. Kind of statement. It can happen that the antecedent is actually true, and it can happen also the speakers do not presume that that antecedent is false. So, for example, a doctor while examining a patient can say, well, if the patient had measles, then she would be showing exactly these symptoms. You know, and then you use that kind of reasoning just to diagnose.
the fact that the patient doesn't need to have measles. So the label contrafacture, which is a very uh common label, is a bit misleading. And it's very hard to say something positive about, you know, the general category of counterfactures, what they are. without just using the fact that there is if then claims in which
would appears. Could we say about that doctor example that Maybe what's relevant there is that you don't know whether the patient has measles, like maybe the patient has measles, maybe they don't, and that's what makes it a counterfactual?
Definitely you don't know, at least in the ordinary case, but you're you're also not assuming that it is false. Right? And in fact you m you might be reasoning yourself into believing that indeed the patient does have measles uh just by using that counterfactual.
The doctor wouldn't be very interested in the scenario if the doctor knew that that was false. They wouldn't make that statement, would they?
They normally they would not. Um you know, they could say, Well, if the patient had measles, she would be showing exactly the symptoms, but she's been tested, so it's not measles. But not in the situation I originally gave,
yeah. So what does it mean when we make one of these if then would counterfactual statements?
Right, that's a very good question. That is a question that philosophers have been thinking about for a while. So here is a first attempt. When you use an if would statement, you are reaching for some kind of situation that is very similar, though perhaps not quite, the situation that we are in.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–7:41
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What is a counterfactual statement and how is it defined?
7:41–11:00
3
Why are counterfactuals considered ‘if‑then‑would’ conditionals?
11:00–16:12
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How do causal‑network and temporal‑rewind theories differ for counterfactuals?
16:12–34:56
Speakers
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