Show notes
Erin West joins Dr. Sandie Morgan as they uncover why that random text asking "Can you come for ribs?" might be the opening move in a $5 billion crime operation targeting vulnerable people through sophisticated romance and investment scams known as pig butchering.
Erin West
Erin West is a globally recognized expert in transnational organized crime and the founder and president of Operation Shamrock, a nonprofit uniting law enforcement, industry, and everyday citizens to disrupt pig butchering scams—the world's fastest-growing form of transnational organized crime. After 26 years as a prosecutor, including eight years on the REACT High-Tech Task Force where she became known for her relentless pursuit of cryptocurrency-enabled criminals, Erin retired to launch this cross-border fight to expose the scam economy and protect both victims and the trafficked workers forced to run these schemes. She is also the host of "Stolen," a podcast that takes listeners inside the darkest corners of the scamdemic, where love is weaponized and billions are laundered. As a sought-after international speaker and educator, Erin continues to equip audiences worldwide to use their skills and platforms to fight back against these sophisticated criminal enterprises.
Key Points
Pig butchering scams are long cons that can last up to four months, involving four hours of daily texting to build the relationship victims have always wanted before stealing their life savings.
Chinese organized criminals created this crime model by repurposing casino towers in Southeast Asia during COVID, literally translating "pig butchering" as fattening up victims with love bombing before cutting their throats financially.
The scams begin with seemingly innocent outreach through wrong number texts, LinkedIn connections, or social media befriending, then quickly move to encrypted platforms like WhatsApp to conduct criminal activity without oversight.
Hundreds of thousands of people from Africa, Bangladesh, and Pakistan are being trafficked to Southeast Asia under false job promises, then forced to work 16 hours a day running these scams under threat of violence.
Victims of forced criminality face arrest and detention when compounds are raided because they're treated as criminals rather than trafficking victims, creating a massive repatriation crisis.
The scale of this crime is unprecedented, with victims reporting losses of $4.9 billion in 2024 alone, representing a generation's worth of stolen wealth from retirement and college savings accounts.
End-to-end encryption, while protective for legitimate users, is weaponized by criminals to conduct relationships and transactions away from law enforcement visibility.
Effective response requires unprecedented cross-sector collaboration between banking, law enforcement, cryptocurrency platforms, diplomacy, victim assistance, and NGOs working together rather than in silos.
Resources
351 – Hidden Crimes: Fraud and its Impact on Vulnerable Communities
Operation Shamrock
Stolen Podcast
Transcript
[00:00:00] Sandie Morgan: Welcome to the Ending Human Trafficking Podcast here at Vanguard University's Global Center for Women and Justice in Orange County, California. I'm Dr. Sandie Morgan, and this is the show where we empower you to study the issue, be a voice, and make a difference in ending human trafficking.
[00:00:23] Today, we'll discover why that random text asking "Can you come for ribs?" might be the opening move in a $5 billion crime operation
[00:00:36] I'm joined today by Erin West, founder and president of Operation Shamrock, and former prosecutor who spent 26 and a half years. Fighting high tech crimes. And now here's our interview.
[00:00:53]
[00:00:54] Sandie Morgan: Welcome to the podcast Erin West. I am so delighted to meet you.
[00:01:02] Erin West: Thank you so much for having me on the podcast. I'm delighted to be here.