374: How Illicit Massage Parlors Really Launder Their Money
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Why is human trafficking treated as a business rather than just exploitation?
Chinese traffickers will never operate like Vietnamese or Korean or Hispanic traffickers, just like the Hispanic traffickers will never operate like Chinese, Vietnamese or any other traffickers.
Mm. Sometimes the question that exposes exploitation is not, did they take your passport, but what are they charging you for? Young B. Dale explains that traffickers often adapt faster than our training does. That means victims can stay hidden when we only look for older signs of control, instead of asking about deductions, fines, debt, wages, and who is really profiting. Hi, I'm Alicia. I'm a student here at Vanguard and I help produce the show. Today, Sandy talks with Young B. Dale, CEO of Dale Consulting, and an anti-trafficking consultant with expertise in financial crime, visa fraud, and Asian and Korean commercial sex markets. And now, here's their conversation.
Young B Dale, I am so excited to have you on the Ending Human Trafficking Podcast. Welcome.
Thank you.
I ha have uh been reading about your work and I've seen so many places where you and I have overlapped over the decades and we know some of the same people and yet we have never met in person. But I think we're gonna change that. Okay. So let's start off. You are an expert witness in financial crime. And I've always been fascinated with crime analysts. And I've thought, wow, if I was younger, I'd go back to school and become a crime analyst. But you are very focused on financial. crime as an anti-trafficking tool. So what can financial crime investigations teach us and reveal about trafficking networks that may not be visible through our traditional victim identification methods.
So first of all, when you look at the literature that um interview lots of traffickers and their facilitators, like bend of focus studies, a lot of time they and and this is cross cultural too, like including the trafficker that I interview, um, they look at human trafficking not so much as exploitation, like or you know, something to explore their fantasy, whatever, you know, like They're not looking at trafficking as uh rapist, looking at rape or sexual assault. They're looking at trafficking as more of a business model. This is a business for them. This is not has nothing to do with exploitation. It happens to be exploitation, they make more money, that's great. But at the end of the day, for them, it's about money.
So that's why I think if eye for eye, right? Like if it's about money, then we need to tackle their illicit Asset.
Okay, so where do you begin to quote unquote tackle their illicit assets?
You know, we've been advocating for victim center approach, which often in itself has you don't have any problem with that except because we've been focusing on victim center approach, I don't think we have a lot of research when it comes to looking at financial crime or immigration, you know, fraud or anything that the criminal the traffickers actually need to operate successful. human trafficking, business model. So A lot of time, especially in the East Asian culture, they don't really know who their real actual traffickers are. And this is done on purpose. This is intended to be the case. Trafficker as a business person, like restaurant owners, he's not gonna tell every single detail about how the this works, the business works, the where he's hiding money, how he's bringing women and all these details.
Not going to reveal that just like the restaurant owners will not reveal every single details to the waitress, right? But the only way to trace back to the offender, the old trafficker, is to follow the money. The money has to go back to the trafficker, otherwise the trafficker has no business being involved in exploitation, one way or the other.
So it is driven by profits, by greed. So y when you talk about the Asian culture. You've done a lot of work on Asian and Korean specifically, commercial sex markets in the U.S. And I know locally there has been a tension. Our first cases here in Orange County were in Westminster, a very large Vietnamese culture.
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Chapters
3 chapters
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Why is human trafficking treated as a business rather than just exploitation?
0:00–16:20
2
How do traffickers use shell companies and cash‑only operations to launder money?
16:20–23:26
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What cultural differences shape money‑laundering methods in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese massage parlors?
23:26–31:08