Escaping the Drift with John Gafford
How to Hack Your Body for Longevity and Peak Energy (Harry Massey)
03 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: How did Harry Massey's traumatic experiences lead him to bioenergetics?
And now, Escaping the Drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford, and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the drift, and it's time to start right now.
back again back again for another episode of like it says in the opening the show that gets you from where you are to where you want to be and if where you want to be is healthy and to live for a really really long time i have a really super interesting guy beaming in from the sunny slopes of Park City, Utah, into the studio today. He is somebody that is an inventor. He is a systems thinker.
He is a health futurist. We're gonna get into exactly what that is. He's the founder of NES Health, XPO Health, Energy for Life. Like I said, he's a bio-energetic expert, an entrepreneur, a speaker, and a filmmaker, and he's here to tell you how to live forever. Maybe not forever, but for longer than you're planning on living now. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program.
This is Harry Massey. Harry, what's up, man?
It's all good. I'll totally tell people how to live forever. I'm going to live forever myself.
You're going to live forever. We're living forever.
I always think about... My minimum is 120, but I think as long as we can do that, we'll keep going.
I always like to think about the movie Talladega Nights when Ricky Bobby says, you know, with my high level of income and the advancements of science, there's no reason I can't expect to live to 165, 185 years old. But it was. So how did you get into this, man? How did you get into this?
It's a pretty curious story, but when I was 20, I had these three very dramatic accidents or instances in my life. One, I was ice climbing and I fell, fractured my spine. This was in Scotland. I didn't know I'd fractured my spine, to be honest, until I'd had a paragliding accident another year, year and a half later.
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Chapter 2: What role does the thymus play in biological aging?
but to begin with you don't really want to just put energy in to a broken system because it you know it's like putting um i guess rocket fuel in a really bad car like it would just blow up well what i'm what i'm thinking is like it's kind of like uh your iphone right like when you first get it and you charge it it'll stay charged for like three days
And then like two years later, the quality of the battery goes down as much as you charge it.
It's all inefficient. Yeah.
Yeah. As much as you charge, it doesn't matter. So same way. So it doesn't matter what you do if your max battery capacity is only at 65%. So what you're trying to do is repair the battery from 65 back to 100.
Exactly. How do we do that? And then make the body. super efficient game. Well, that's the main biggest con. Well, I'll take it in the three parts. So one with pain and injuries. See, there's a lot you can do from body work, yoga, stretching, et cetera.
But from our point of view, we made a device called the My Health that combines a laser in with electrotherapy, and then it puts information in on the signal on top. And the short version is it'll speed up an injury's healing or a wound by three to four times the normal rate that your body would. So that's how we would do pain and injuries.
I saw that. This is the bed, right?
actually not no that's not the bed it's a device it's a handheld device that you can just um yeah the bed i don't know where it came across the bed but because i haven't brought that to market but yes oh yeah yeah i saw it yeah i thought that was the bed okay sorry We'll get to that. Yeah, it was on the internet. There's things on the internet that may not be there.
Yeah. No bet. There's no better prototype that's coming out at any time soon. We don't know what we're talking about at this point. No bet.
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Chapter 3: How can managing emotional states prevent energy leaks?
Ultimately, it's your head because your head also controls what goes in your mouth.
True. Fair. Okay. You can't loophole it. I mean, what I'm saying is, does emotional state, you think, have a longer... Is that a worse detriment to the body than what... I'm not talking about like Burger King and Twinkies every day.
I'm talking about like, well, so there's a long-term study called the ACE studies that looked at adverse childhood events and different diseases. And if you've had more than three or three or more adverse childhood events and They aren't necessarily that significant, but it's just having a difficult childhood. It doesn't have to be some extreme situation.
If you've had three of those, you have four times more likely risk of having a heart attack, of getting cancer, et cetera. But here's the most crazy statistic.
is you actually have a overall you have a 20 year reduction in your lifespan and so meaning if the average person you know lives to 85 if you've had more than three free childhood events that then basically you know makes you stressed for you know for for eternity um you would only live to 65 so that is it's extremely significant um
now yeah you know if you lived on it's all relative like if your only diet was mcdonald's and fries that's not gonna be too good either no well you know i think well it's it's i was telling my wife last night you know i spent about a week in south africa when we did our trip
And I think they must be somewhat strict about what can go into food and what can't go into food there. Because I felt great the whole time. Like, I just felt lighter. I felt good. I always eat fairly well. But I think there's probably some stuff in our food in the United States that was not in the food there. And it definitely made me feel better. Like, I felt, I just felt really good.
There's a lot of life space in the food in the States, unfortunately. Yeah.
Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What are the key components of Harry's routine for peak vitality?
So that's that next bit. um after that then you get into these regenerative things you've got stem you've got stem cells peptides and like the light bed that i haven't yet released basically with this light bed we're doing we're basically going to imprint information in on all the light waves that will help to basically help to regenerate different organs
never mind i am and then and then there's a with in the stem cell stuff which is very interesting there's a lot of different types of stem cells um and you know most of it is just to do with signaling like most stem cells you get from placentas etc yeah um themselves they're not really growing like they're not really growing in you or anything but they but they do but they do
send out paracrine signaling to help signal. But they're not always that specific. If you just have them in an IV, lots of them will get wasted in the lungs and excreted, etc. So what I've been looking at And I'm doing a study at UCSD at the moment where we can basically see, we're basically imprint a stem cell, one, to make it more potent.
And when I say imprint, we're imprinting with field information. And then two, for the targeting, so it's more likely to go to a particular organ. I can't claim that yet because the study is not...
completed or finished but anyway that's a whole thing but yeah if and then I think the fourth thing or fifth thing I would say would be to regenerate the immune system because the immune system does actually govern repair in the body like you know when an area gets injured and inflamed like it's the immune system that basically says well go and repair that part so you want a healthy
healthy immune system. That's why your, um, like your, your TB 500 and this, um, which is the other one, this alpha alpha alpha one alpha two. Anyway, there's a, there's a couple of peptides that will help, you know, help regenerate the, the finest.
So to boost that up.
Yeah. Yeah. I call it decode, recode, restore, but basically you want to, um, decode the body to know exactly what's going on in the body and you know we have like an ai analysis system that will work all that out um then but we also then want to just remove all as much inflammation and as noise or what i'm calling resistance as we can so like i like
which is basically ozonating, takes your blood out one arm, ozonates it, puts it back in the other arm, and then it basically does all of your blood so you get super, super clean blood.
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Chapter 5: How does the body function like a battery in terms of energy?
But I, Yeah, I'm a bit reticent of like just total, like just do this, just do this.
Yeah, just do the one thing and that's all you got to do. That's it. Everybody wants the magic pill.
Health is not like that, unfortunately. You've got to sort of, well, yeah, you want to tackle the big areas first and then it gets more and more nuanced over time.
So I'm curious about your supplement game. So like how often do you get your blood checked? How often do you adjust your supplements? How many supplements do you take a day?
I'm curious. You know, I just did this new epigenetic test that replaces going and getting all these different blood labs. I just got the results back this morning. So that had like 30 different things on it. I would say I think I'm getting my blood done about every three,
months um which i think i mean if you're really serious about reversing age i'd say you probably want to be doing that um i guess if you're just wanting good health maybe every six months is fine supplements oh my goodness i used to track i'm not doing it right now but i i did i did have a big big spreadsheet you know and i've had every single reason why i'm taking every single thing and then my assistant would you know that
I would have my morning, lunch, afternoon, like all bagged up and it was all like hyper-organized.
Yeah, like this? Like that? Like this big list that I have with all this stuff on it.
Yeah. How many different supplements do you think you're taking in? It's such a hard one. So a lot of supplements are a bit useless, honestly. I'm much more of a fan of... I'm much more of a fan of getting it all from superfoods, whole foods, juices, et cetera. Because the whole plant really does have everything in all the right ratios. I'll give you an example.
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