In 5 to 10 Years, Using Weapons Without AI Will Be Considered Unethical | Yaroslav Azhnyuk, The Fourth Law
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Why does Yaroslav say weapons without AI could become unethical in 5‑10 years?
There's lots of conversation about AI and defense. What we should be really talking about, I think, is software in defense. We started with making hammers for pets and now we're making hammers for drones and we were throwing explosives to people who came to occupy our land. I think like within five to ten years it will become unethical to use weapons without AI. The same way as it might become unethical to use cars without AI because those are last lethal and And non-AI weapons will be more likely to cause collateral damage, not less likely. But my only question to these companies is if you're so great and powerful, why aren't your asses helping us fight off the Russians? Why aren't you on the profiles?
Okay. So so then you decided to get involved in uh in defense tech and
and
and
Actually started a second company in defense as well, which uh makes uh cameras. So it makes thermal cameras, which are now some of the most popular thermal cameras in the Ukraine military. They're used in interceptors. There's probably over a couple thousand heads bound with with drones with these cameras. And they're used in in just frontline FPEs as well. Yeah. So it's it's funny, like that there's some people from from PetCube who also uh helped to start this company. And uh because they they were doing cameras for the last uh fourteen years. Yep. Uh just cameras for pets. Oh that's
right. Yeah.
They have a lot of experience with that. So it's uh it's so ironic. Like Yeah, may like we started making Cameras for passing over. We're making uh cameras cameras for And for drones and we were throwing throwing treats to dogs and now we're throwing explosives to people who came to occupy our land. Um, so that's faith loves irony for sure.
There seems to be a focus. You're you're doing uh counter drone technology.
Um Yeah, I mean with with the fourth law. Um We're we're working on massively scalable um autonomous systems for drones and Um At this point it involves the Like frontline FPV drones and then the interceptor drones and some other drones as well.
The interceptor drones are those for FPV or those for uh Shaheed or what uh
Yeah, that's that's a very good question. So uh currently like the most dynamic area that's uh had interceptors. Um But obviously uh when we're you're talking about interceptor drones as class that that can apply to intercepting chai heads, ISR drones or reconnaissance drones and then even smaller drones like FPV drones and sort of frontline protection. So that's it's a very important question. Schmidt's also working on
Interceptors for Shahid. Is is his at Swift? Beep is his company only looking up Shaheed or are they doing the full range?
Well, I think from from the public sources, uh that they've been uh telling that uh I think there are like at least three initiatives. One is uh Shahad Interception, another is frontline uh autonomous drone, and uh the third one is something like a m mid strike drone. So basically strike drone capable of maybe a I don't know. I know what is theirs, but mid strike as a category is up to two hundred kilometers or something like
that. Right.
Yeah.
And they're very capable, I think. I think Yeah. Yeah, certainly. I mean Eric Schmidt is no one more capable on AI.
Like they're our main competitorslash peer. So like we we don't strictly think of these companies as competitors because they're sort of trying to accomplish the same goal as we are. Uh but uh yeah, you know, there's uh this episode in uh Silicon Valley, the show where they're like, uh okay, these guys are making world better plays, but we don't want them to make this better than we're making world better place, something like that. It's not like that. So uh but there is there is some friendly competition there. Um but I I think that are like what what they're doing is like for example far ahead from what any other company um outside of Ukraine was able to demonstrate far ahead of say Andreel or um
Housing. So it's like and the uh I I I think we're close to them in terms of uh the ground autonomy. Uh on ground so sort of TV autonomy.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why does Yaroslav say weapons without AI could become unethical in 5‑10 years?
0:00–6:28
2
How did the team transition from pet‑camera tech to autonomous combat drones?
6:28–14:41
3
What is the five‑level autonomy framework for drones that Fourth Law uses?
14:41–20:59
4
How does the eight‑dimensional autonomous‑battlefield ecosystem model work?
20:59–25:28
5
Why does Fourth Law compare its modular approach to Android versus Apple’s vertical integration?
25:28–31:17
6
What are the cost and production challenges for scaling autonomous drones to millions of units?
31:17–39:10
7
Why does Yaroslav argue that sovereign AI‑driven defense tech is crucial for Ukraine and Europe?
39:10–46:19
8
What is the real AGI risk he warns about beyond the Skynet scenario?
46:19–53:02
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