Forget budget surpluses. This year Australia will take on another $200 billion of debt, and there’s no plan to wind it back. Also today: Westpac hit with the largest fine in corporate history Great news locally on the coronavirus front And why COVID-19 has been good for crime statistics Plus part of our interview with US podcaster Guy Raz, host of How I Built This, about what he’s learnt from his interviews with entrepreneurs and founders. How I Built This is one of the most popular podcasts in the world, and Guy has now turned it into a book. How I Built This: The Unexpected Paths to Success from the World's Most Inspiring Entrepreneurs by Gaz Raz, Pan Macmillan, RRP $34.99Find out more: https://fearandgreed.com.au/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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